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Jan 20 09 9:27 PM

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Is there anybody sure that current matches in Kuwait aren't played within a three-nations tournament with participation of hosts, Syria and Turkmenistan? Compactness in matters of time and consistent playing each other could indicate that. But I have found no confirmation so far. Neither a clear-cut exclusion.

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Oct 24 15 8:07 AM

Just a "bizarre" note. The Kuwaiti FA has recently been suspended by FIFA, for this reason the two Kuwaiti teams competing in the semifinals of the AFC Cup, that is to say the second most important club competition in Asia, have been knocked out. They won widely in the first leg and were almost safe to take part in an all-Kuwaiti final. So their opponents (a Malaysian and a Tagik team) automatically got the pass for the final.
This situation is not dissimilar from Euro '60, when Spain withdrew just before the semifinal refusing to face Soviet Union. But that was a voluntary decision...

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Jan 15 16 2:28 PM

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/y=2016/m=1/news=kuwait-sanctioned-after-unplayed-fifa-world-cuptm-qualifier-2755349.html

Kuwait was fined 10,000 CHF for not playing their World Cup qualifier against Myanmar on 17 November. What makes this odd is that the reason Kuwait did not play is that they had been suspended by FIFA in October and therefore couldn't play the match. How can FIFA suspend them and then fine them for not playing?


"The Disciplinary Committee has decided that the match should be forfeited, in accordance with art. 31 of the FIFA Disciplinary Code, and ordered the KFA to pay a fine of CHF 10,000 after being found to be liable for the violation of art. 6 par. 5 of the Regulations 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia™ and art. 56 of the FIFA Disciplinary Code.

The decision was reached after a thorough analysis of all relevant information pertaining to the case, in particular the fact that the KFA has been suspended since 16 October 2015."

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Jan 15 16 9:00 PM

No!
About jurists there is in Bavaria a saying: “He is jurist and also otherwise of low intellect” …
From a juristically perspective, the decision is perfectly fine.
For a better understanding you have to read the decision of 16 October 2015 .

The suspension will be lifted only when the KFA and its members (the clubs) are able to carry out their activities and obligations independently” implies that it is the duty of KFA “to be able to carry out …” If they are not able to carry out their activities independently (from law), they cannot be an active FIFA member.

Originally there were reasonable causes for the FIFA statutes. But they were expanded to 'emptiness of meaning', so they can now just serve as a template for
satirical comments: “FIFA suspends itself due to US government interference“ → really good, very accurate.

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Jan 15 16 9:12 PM

can anyone translate for me, is Kuwait suspended or does it loses the match forfeited? or something else? it seems important as it is a WC and AC match...

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Jan 15 16 9:39 PM

The Disciplinary Committee has decided that the match should be forfeited

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Jan 16 16 7:31 PM

ctr wrote:
The suspension will be lifted only when the KFA and its members (the clubs) are able to carry out their activities and obligations independently” implies that it is the duty of KFA “to be able to carry out …”
I think you would enjoy reading through old FIFA correspondence with member FAs, such as the various letters which were collated in the FIFA "50 years [sic] of African Football" DVDs (which were never actually released in the end).

The government interference aspect works both ways, of course.   FIFA was always happy to meet with dictators, helping to prop them up. 

There are quite a few countries where the association president, or secretary or patron etc is also part of the royal family, government etc, often creating a conflict of interest which often goes undiagnosed.  

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Jan 17 16 2:05 PM

Kuwait FA suspended,
Kuwait loses match to Myanmar by forfeit.
Kuwait fined 10,000 Swiss Francs.

That's a summary of what happened. I wonder if the suspension will be lifted in time for their next qualifier? The same thing could happen again.

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Jan 17 16 2:33 PM

Exactly! Kuwait FA must eliminate the cause of the suspension! If they do not, it is their responsibility when games can not take place.
Cause:
“To contact the Kuwait Football Association about the new sport law and warn about a suspension if nothing is done by 15 October 2015 to avoid the implementation of the new law due to come into force on 27 October 2015.” (FIFA Executive Committee, 24 – 25/09/2015)

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Jan 17 16 3:45 PM

The way I see it, this issue was not so much about the Kuwait government "interfering" with the Kuwait FA, but rather FIFA trying to interfere with the Kuwait government &/or FA.

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Jan 18 16 9:58 AM

nfm24 wrote:
The way I see it, this issue was not so much about the Kuwait government "interfering" with the Kuwait FA, but rather FIFA trying to interfere with the Kuwait government &/or FA.

I do not know the new Kuwaiti sport law in detail. One possible argument of FIFA: the law restricts the independence of the KFA – then KFA will become a state-controlled organization.
Let me remind you that Greece was also suspended (10 years ago), BTW for the same reason: the national sport law. Member associations of FIFA are obligated to obtain a revision of national laws which are not acceptable to the FIFA (resp. to avoid the implementation of such laws).
Unsuccessful lobbyists are suspended.
The suspension of Greece was lifted after the Greek parliament had amended the sport law in a way that it corresponded to the statutes of FIFA (and UEFA).
The way you see it is a clear view...

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Jan 18 16 7:37 PM

Yes, and this also extends to things like making sure alcohol can be sold at the stadium (preferred sponsor brands, of course).

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