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Jan 21 17 12:52 AM

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1. Ineligible Players

The following players registered in the AFC Administration System were declared ineligible to
participate for the representative teams of the Federacao Futebol Timor Leste (FFTL):

(i) Ramon de Lima Saro
(ii) Paulo Helber Rosa Ribeiro
(iii) Diogo Santos Rangel
(iv) Rodrigo Sousa Silva
(v) Patrick Fabiano Alves Nobrega Luz
(vi) Paulo Cesar da Silva Martins
(vii) Jairo Pinheiro Palmeira Neto
(viii) Felipe Bertoldo do Santos
(ix) Junior Aparecido Guimaro de Souza
(x) Jaime Celestino Dias Braganca
(xi) Heberty Fernandes de Andrade
(xii) Thiago dos Santos Cunha

2. Official matches ordered to be forfeited by the FFTL

Date Match Ineligible players
AFC U-22 Championship 2013 (Qualifiers)
5 July 2012 Singapore vs Timor Leste 3
7 July 2012 Indonesia vs Timor Leste 3
10 July 2012 Timor Leste vs Japan 3
12 July 2012 Timor Leste vs Australia 2
15 July 2012 Macau vs Timor Leste 3
AFC Asian Cup UAE 2019 (Qualifiers Playoff Round)
2 June 2016 Malaysia vs Timor Leste 4
6 June 2016 Timor Leste vs Malaysia 3

3. Non-official matches ordered to be forfeited by the FFTL

Date Match Ineligible players
International “A” Friendly
14 November 2012 Indonesia vs Timor Leste 2
11 November 2014 Indonesia vs Timor Leste 2
29 May 2016 Cambodia vs Timor Leste 3
AFF Championship 2012 (Qualifiers)
5 October 2012 Timor Leste vs Cambodia 3
7 October 2012 Timor Leste vs Myanmar 3
9 October 2012 Timor Leste vs Laos 3
12 October 2012 Brunei vs Timor Leste 3
South East Asian Games 2013
7 December 2013 Timor Leste vs Thailand 3
9 December 2013 Myanmar vs Timor Leste 5
12 December 2013 Cambodia vs Timor Leste 5
14 December 2013 Timor Leste vs Indonesia 4
Asian Games 2014
15 September 2014 Timor Leste vs Indonesia 3
18 September 2014 Thailand vs Timor Leste 3
22 September 2014 Maldives vs Timor Leste 1
AFF Championship 2014 (Qualifiers)
12 October 2014 Timor Leste vs Brunei 5
14 October 2014 Myanmar vs Timor Leste 5
16 October 2014 Timor Leste vs Cambodia 3
18 October 2014 Laos vs Timor Leste 3
South East Asian Games 2015
30 May 2015 Malaysia vs Timor Leste 2
1 June 2015 Thailand vs Timor Leste 1
3 June 2015 Timor Leste vs Brunei 2
7 June 2015 Timor Leste vs Vietnam 2

*The above list is non-exhaustive for the below reasons:

(i) a number of suspected ineligible players that were never registered in the AFC
Administration System participated in these and other non-official matches. The AFC
was unable to verify their eligibility to participate for FFTL representative teams;

(ii) the AFC is aware that some of the ineligible players were registered in FFTL squads
at the South East Asian Games 2011 and Asian Youth Games 2013. The AFC was
unable to retrieve team line-up data for those matches.

4. Official matches falling within the jurisdiction of FIFA

Date Match Ineligible players
Joint Preliminary Qualification Round 1
12 March 2015 Timor Leste vs Mongolia 6
17 March 2015 Mongolia vs Timor Leste 6
Joint Preliminary Qualification Round 2
11 June 2015 Malaysia vs Timor Leste 7
16 June 2015 Timor Leste vs UAE 7
3 September 2015 Saudi Arabia vs Timor Leste 5
8 October 2015 Timor Leste vs Palestine 7
13 October 2015 Timor Leste vs Malaysia 6

The relevant competition regulations refer to the FIFA Disciplinary Committee as the competent
body to make decisions regarding ineligible players. The AFC has reported these matches to FIFA

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Since 2011 at the latest, they've been fielding foreign players. It's only taken six years to act.smiley: embarassed
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Jan 21 17 12:29 PM

Blue Lou wrote:
Since 2011 at the latest, they've been fielding foreign players. It's only taken six years to act.smiley: embarassed


BBC wrote:

in a statement the AFC said it was "aware" of ineligible participation at previous events but was "unable to retrieve team line-up data for those matches".


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Jan 21 17 12:30 PM

Blue Lou wrote:
Since 2011 at the latest, they've been fielding foreign players. It's only taken six years to act.smiley: embarassed

Presumably they will start looking next at the ROI forfeiting all matches involving Cascarino, or maybe even the 1938 World Cup.

It still amazes me that someone ineligible is allowed to take the field in the first place.  There is clearly a dereliction of duty somewhere along the process.  For a player to get as far as making the match day squad they should have been cleared in advance.

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Jan 21 17 5:55 PM

Blue Lou wrote:
the AFC is aware that some of the ineligible players were registered in FFTL squads
at the South East Asian Games 2011 and Asian Youth Games 2013. The AFC was
unable to retrieve team line-up data for those matches.
So the way for cheats to succeed is: don't publish your lineup - then you can field any players you want...

I tend to think that in such cases, particularly years later, overturning the match result is redundant and there should instead be punishment / suspension of officials or the association in general (such as when Mexico was suspended from the 1990 World Cup).  It doesn't help anyone to alter the result, particularly when it did not significantly effect outcomes.  And even if it did, changing the result could also lead to opponents seeking legal action for lost revenue etc.

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Jan 21 17 6:03 PM

Also interesting that the AFC wants to overturn results of competitions which were not organized by the AFC, and even friendlies. Surely just withdrawing the "A" status of the friendlies (and removing from the ranking) is a better option?

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Jan 21 17 11:26 PM

Kaizeler wrote:
Blue Lou wrote:
Since 2011 at the latest, they've been fielding foreign players. It's only taken six years to act.smiley: embarassed


BBC wrote:

in a statement the AFC said it was "aware" of ineligible participation at previous events but was "unable to retrieve team line-up data for those matches".


That was this part of what I posted above:

(ii) the AFC is aware that some of the ineligible players were registered in FFTL squads
at the South East Asian Games 2011 and Asian Youth Games 2013. The AFC was
unable to retrieve team line-up data for those matches.

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Jan 22 17 11:51 AM

Nothing like lucid repetition :-)

I suppose the other way of looking at it is that the confederations can absolve themselves of a lot of effort and responsibility by just not bothering to keep track of data such as lineups. This explains a lot.

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Jan 23 17 3:15 PM

nfm24 wrote:
Blue Lou wrote:
the AFC is aware that some of the ineligible players were registered in FFTL squads
at the South East Asian Games 2011 and Asian Youth Games 2013. The AFC was
unable to retrieve team line-up data for those matches.
So the way for cheats to succeed is: don't publish your lineup - then you can field any players you want...

I tend to think that in such cases, particularly years later, overturning the match result is redundant and there should instead be punishment / suspension of officials or the association in general (such as when Mexico was suspended from the 1990 World Cup).  It doesn't help anyone to alter the result, particularly when it did not significantly effect outcomes.  And even if it did, changing the result could also lead to opponents seeking legal action for lost revenue etc.
Surely these 2 tournaments, in this day and age, required team lists to be submitted for accreditation/identification purposes?  If nothing else, for the youth games, surely there was an age limit, and therefore dates of birth of all the players must have been required?  The AFC was unable to retrieve these lists?  The obvious question is : why were they unable to do so?  

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Jan 23 17 11:46 PM

The bins are emptied every Tuesday.

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