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Mar 29 17 1:41 AM

Just reflecting on video referee goals (e.g. France vs Spain last night) - this will likely lead to errors in the reported minutes of goals. A goal is not scored when the ball crosses the line, but when the referee decides to award the goal - the latter instant should be used as the goal time (just as with red/yellow cards - the moment the card is shown by the ref, not when the foul was committed by the player). Normally these events are almost simultaneous of course, but with video ref delay we will see plenty of cases with up to a minute or so between the ball going in the net and the eventual awarding of the goal.

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Mar 29 17 8:29 AM

How do you want to deal with goals which have been awarded after the match? In Holland this happenend until 1962 occasionally.Team A objects a goal against Team B was not awarded i.e. in minute 37. They officially protested at KNVB. A committee investigated the case and award the goal. So the match did not end in 3-3 but in 3-4. The afterwards awarded goal would have been the 1-1.....

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Apr 10 17 11:52 PM

Hmm. Such goals are certainly in 90+N' :-)

Goals awarded by a committee long after the match has ended are not really part of the match itself but more part of the overall competition (league or cup). Such goals were not awarded by the referee. The phantom "goal" has a similar purpose as punishing a team by removing points in the table. Just like a player being suspended by a committee after the match is not the same as having a red card in the match (e.g. Luis Suárez biting Chiellini).

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May 17 17 5:39 PM

So anyone who's been following the UEFA U-17 tournaments this month (men's and women's) know that they've become the world's first-ever testing ground for a new format of penalty shoot-out. Apparently inspired by something in tennis, the order of penalties being taken in these trials is now 'ABBA' as opposed to the usual 'ABAB'.

Use up all your obvious puns below to get them out your system, and here is what happened with the format in action for the first time...

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May 18 17 6:34 PM

Making kids take penalties against each other is quite mean, whatever order they use.

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I wouldn't use the term 'mean' as such, it's part of the game and the players know this going in. Most other proposed tie-breaking formats (usually a variation of 'next goal wins') would cause similar kinds of stress for the losers, where there obviously has to be one. Taking matches to replays in the middle of a tournament isn't too fair stamina-wise on whoever gets through, and I think on an organisational level most people involved want it settled on the night.

As with most things in youth football, the important thing is how the event is treated, rather than the event itself. If the losing team's built up a supportive environment like they should have done, then the guilty player will be able to brush off their miss a lot quicker.

If England's final with Spain tonight goes to a shoot-out, they'll have all the stereotypes thrown around in commentary but it's not as though there's as much pressure as in a senior tournament, so in that sense it could be a healthy chance to break the stigma early if they win one (I realise that England also won the 2014 tournament on penalties, but the more the merrier when it comes to players tasting success in this area).

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nfm24 wrote:
In youth football, tossing a coin would be better than a penalty shootout.
I'm just not convinced. Mainly because if a group of kids were having a kickabout that ended in a draw, other than 'next goal wins', they'd probably choose to settle it on penalties because that's what they've seen the professionals do, and the guilty player in that situation would get ripped on more mercilessly than in any organised game.

Penalties are still a skill, and I'd rather a knockout game was decided that way rather than a coin toss. Again I think it's down to the environment more than anything else, I'm sure that the England squad who lost that Final will have been told not to dwell on it and have access to the best psychological support should they need it, but all that's really 'needed' in general is for the team and the parents to behave in a sensible manner, which unfortunately some don't.

As for corners/fair play, interesting variants but I can't help but feel it would change the mindset of players (not nessecarily for the worse), so for keepers not to palm a ball round the post like they would usually do, or someone shooting from distance just to try and get a corner, or a player not going for a tackle, admittedly minor things but it wouldn't be the way they normally play the game.

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Another fun idea would be to use smaller size goals for the shootout, so that it would take quite a bit more skill to score. It was pretty fun to watch the Canada-Sweden shootout at hockey worlds yesterday, with only two goals scored out of seven or eight attempts.

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mattsanger92 wrote:
it would change the mindset of players ... so for keepers not to palm a ball round the post like they would usually do, or someone shooting from distance just to try and get a corner, or a player not going for a tackle
Giving the opponent a corner is generally worth avoiding, regardless of a tie-breaker tally.  Likewise playing to gain a corner is already a common tactic, either for its own sake (i.e. to cross the ball into the box for a scoring chance), or to kill time at the end of a game.  These are already parts of football strategy.

However your point is correct, and teams could play just to boost the corner tally, for example, if a team gets a first corner, it could just repeatedly take short-corners and hold the ball in the corner area to attempt to gain a succession of corners, rather than make any attempt to work the ball towards the goal-mouth.   With good practice, this could be the football equivalent of nursery cannons in billiards, a tactic which made an already extremly dull game infinitely duller.

Anyway, the influence of the impending tie-breaker upon the preceding play is already common, e.g. teams playing very defensively in extra-time and/or timewasting to get to the shootout is currently a popular strategy.

I am not exactly in favour of using corners, but it is better than something like "shots on target" or "possession" which would more strongly influence the preceding playing style.  If the objective is just to separate the two teams, tossing a coin is fine with me.


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