Remove this ad

#21 [url]

Apr 14 10 3:45 PM

9/10/1927 Hungary 1-2 Czechoslovakia
23/9/1928 Czechoslovakia 6-1 Hungary

For both games, the Hungary team was the "Hungary Professionals", selected by the PLASZ (professional FA) instead of the MLSZ (national FA, registered with FIFA).
The best Hungarian players were not used in these two games.

Strangely, the MLSZ decided later to count the first game, but not the second one (due to the bad score maybe?). They didn't count most of the PLASZ games.

Quote    Reply   
Remove this ad

#22 [url]

Apr 14 10 5:02 PM

nfm24 wrote:
9/10/1927 Hungary 1-2 Czechoslovakia
23/9/1928 Czechoslovakia 6-1 Hungary

For both games, the Hungary team was the "Hungary Professionals", selected by the PLASZ (professional FA) instead of the MLSZ (national FA, registered with FIFA).
The best Hungarian players were not used in these two games.

Strangely, the MLSZ decided later to count the first game, but not the second one (due to the bad score maybe?). They didn't count most of the PLASZ games.

Please can you tell us know which PLASZ games MLSZ count?

Quote    Reply   

#23 [url]

Apr 14 10 6:52 PM

PLASZ
15/12/1926 Spain 5-2 Hungary Prof (unofficial, but same team as official games on 19/12 and 26/12)
13/2/1927 Hungary Prof 1-1 Austria Prof
9/10/1927 Hungary Prof 1-2 Czechoslovakia (official)
17/5/1928 Hungary Prof 3-2 Blackburn Rovers
23/9/1928 Czechoslovakia 6-1 Hungary Prof (best players not used for Hungary)
30/5/1929 Hungary Prof 4-1 Newcastle Utd
11/7/1929 Hungary Prof 3-1 Cairo XI (best players not used)
1/11/1929 Hungary 7-1 South Germany
22/6/1930 South Germany 3-1 Hungary Prof
7/6/1931 Central Germany 1-5 Hungary Prof (not best players)
9/6/1931 Central Germany 0-3 Hungary Prof (not best players)
10/6/1931 Central Germany 3-3 Hungary Prof (not best players)
13/12/1931 Greece 2-4 Hungary Prof (not best players)
15/1/1933 Central Germany 0-3 Hungary Prof
22/1/1933 Paris XI 0-4 Hungary Prof
??/1/1933 Bordeaux 0-5 Hungary Prof (not best players)
29/1/1933 Portugal 1-0 Hungary Prof (OFFICIAL)
??/2/1933 Porto 4-8 Hungary Prof (not best players)
??/2/1933 Central Germany 1-12 Hungary Prof (not best players)
9/4/1933 Yugoslavia 1-3 Hungary Prof (not best players)
25/6/1933 Netherlands 6-5 Hungary Prof
24/1/1934 Netherlands 1-5 Hungary Prof
14/4/1935 Hungary Prof 5-0 Bavaria (not best players)
30/6/1935 Netherlands 2-3 Hungary Prof (not best players)
4/7/1935 Netherlands Youth 1-2 Hungary prof (not best players)


A similar game:
17/5/1925 Hungary XI 4-1 Bolton Wanderers (Hungary selected by main clubs, not MLSZ)

Some other matches (not PLASZ, just MLSZ I think)
14/5/1920 Southern Germany 0-1 Hungary (official for Hungary until 1930)
16/5/1920 Brandenburg 2-1 Hungary
19/5/1920 Central Germany 0-3 Hungary
9/11/1920 "Hungary minus Budapest" 2-6 Sweden
13/3/1921 Hungary (as Budapest) 2-2 Berlin
26/6/1921 Hungary 3-0 Southern Germany
23/10/1921 Hungary 3-2 Central Germany
14/5/1922 Berlin 2-4 Hungary (as Budapest) - note, this was the best Hungarian team, even though on the same day Hungary played an official match vs Poland
27/8/1922 Hungary 5-3 Central Germany
8/4/1923 Hungary (as Budapest) 0-1 Berlin
27/4/1924 Berlin 1-4 Hungary (as Budapest)
4/5/1924 Belgium A 0-1 Hungary B
5/5/1924 Belgium A 0-0 Hungary B
8/5/1924 Belgium A 1-0 Hungary B
24/5/1924 Saarland 1-7 Hungary
1/6/1924 Rouen XI 0-5 Hungary
2/11/1924 Hungary (as Budapest) 3-1 Zagreb
25/1/1925 Andalucia 0-0 Hungary (as Budapest)

Quote    Reply   

#24 [url]

Apr 14 10 7:14 PM

nfm24 wrote:
13/12/1931 Greece 2-4 Hungary Prof (not best players)

According to Greek FA Greece 2-4 Hungary B, but acording to this site http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/2566 Greece 2-4 Hungary amateurs.

nfm24 wrote:
25/6/1933 Netherlands 6-5 Hungary Prof

Nearly the same Hungarian team played on 2/7/1933 against Sweden. The match against Sweden is regarded official by MLSZ.

nfm24 wrote:

29/1/1934 Netherlands 1-5 Hungary Prof

according to following article Dutch FA XI 1-5 Budapest XI, played on 24/1/1934.

Quote    Reply   

#25 [url]

Apr 15 10 12:39 AM

OK. I only reported data sent to me a few years ago by Laszlo Foldesi, who I think had it from Hungarian books.
[Edit : I made a typo, the Dutch match was indeed written as 24/1/1934 by Laszlo]

When PLASZ selected the team, the players were often very similar to the normal MLSZ team anyway (except where I said "not best players" above). I think at the time there was some issue with both associations sharing power, so that for some matches PLASZ took the team. But I haven't considered all the details yet.

The Hungary team was virtually always entirely from Budapest in these years.

Quote    Reply   

#26 [url]

Jun 6 10 8:42 AM

Netherlands line up for the 24-01-1934 Netherlands - Budapest match


Only Van Heel and Weber were Dutch NT regulars at the moment. The famous Bakhuys just returned from Dutch East Indies where he lived for the past four years. Goalkeeper Halle was not a regular either, but to be honest he (and Van Male) were considered better goalkeeperes than Van der Meulen, who was up to the last match before (on 10-12-1933 against Austria) the regular goalkeeper.

nfm24 wrote:
4/5/1924 Belgium A 0-1 Hungary B
5/5/1924 Belgium A 0-0 Hungary B
8/5/1924 Belgium A 1-0 Hungary B

About the 4/5/1924 match Dutch newspaper NRC writes only a few lines (see somewhere under at 3rd column) a Hungarian XI beat an Antwerp XI 1-0 in Antwerp

about the 5/5/1924 match following article mentions Rode Duivels (Red Devils) and an Hungarian team consisting two players who were selected for the Paris Olympics played 0-0 in Brussels

about the 8/5/1924 match I was not able to find anything.

nfm24 wrote:
9/4/1933 Yugoslavia 1-3 Hungary Prof (not best players)

According to special "65 Godine Reprezentacije Jugoslavije" issued by Tempo Magazine Hungary fielded B national team.

nfm24 wrote:
4/7/1935 Netherlands Youth 1-2 Hungary prof (not best players)

Netherlands played as Zwaluwen, which is not Netherlands Youth but a Dutch team fielding some regular A national team players and some players who might play in future for Dutch national team.

Quote    Reply   

#27 [url]

Jul 22 10 8:17 AM

Any reason the 1967-03-22 match vs Algeria isn't full intl?
Hungarian team:
Gelei József
Bakos Sándor
Szűcs Lajos
Mészöly Kálmán
Juhász István
Puskás Lajos
Varga Zoltán
Molnár Dezső
Albert Flórián
Farkas János
Rákosi Gyula
Coach: Illovszky Rudolf

Quote    Reply   

#28 [url]

Jul 25 10 1:04 PM

trekky76 wrote:
Any reason the 1967-03-22 match vs Algeria isn't full intl?
Hungarian team:
Gelei József
Bakos Sándor
Szűcs Lajos
Mészöly Kálmán
Juhász István
Puskás Lajos
Varga Zoltán
Molnár Dezső
Albert Flórián
Farkas János
Rákosi Gyula
Coach: Illovszky Rudolf


The Hungarian Football Association does not recognize the official matches are played best at the time. (8 players attended the previous yearly world championship.) Just recognize the Algerian Football Federation. Probably because it was an international tournament, and the other two teams are not national team was (Vojvodina and Atlético Madrid).

We apologize for any grammatical errors, but not really speak English.

Quote    Reply   

#29 [url]

Jul 29 10 5:22 PM

trekky76 wrote:
Hungarian team 1927-10-09

Amsel Ignác
Fogl II. Károly
Fogl III. József
Borsányi Ferenc
Bukovi Márton
Vámos Ernő
Ströck Albert
Konrád II. Kálmán
Orth György
Hirzer Ferenc
Kohut Vilmos

I think the Hungarians recognise this match as full international. It is on several Hungarian sites.

According to following site the Hungarian players were regulars. Watch and make up your mind.
http://www.eu-football.info/_match.php?id=5233



trekky76 wrote:
What kind of team did Hungary field against Czechoslovakia, 1928-09-23?

Hungarian line-up:
Újvári József
Takács I. Géza
Hungler (Hunyadi) II. János
Kompóti (Kléber) Gábor
Volentik I. Béla
Berkessy Elemér
Senkey II. Gyula
ORDÓDY
Kalmár Jenő
Szedlacsek Ferenc
P. Szabó Gábor


With the exception of Ordódy all players have played full A internationals for Hungary. Some of them made their full international debut some weeks after that match, but nearly all of them played full internationals in 1928. Imho we can consider this match as full A.

Quote    Reply   

#30 [url]

Jul 30 10 6:01 AM

trekky76 wrote:

Hungarian team 1927-10-09

Amsel Ignác
Fogl II. Károly
Fogl III. József
Borsányi Ferenc
Bukovi Márton
Vámos Ernő
Ströck Albert
Konrád II. Kálmán
Orth György
Hirzer Ferenc
Kohut Vilmos

I think the Hungarians recognise this match as full international. It is on several Hungarian sites.

According to following site the Hungarian players were regulars. Watch and make up your mind.
http://www.eu-football.info/_match.php?id=5233


This match was organized by the PLASZ (Professional Footballers Association).
The Hungarian Football Association, (in year 2000) recognized it as official match.

Quote    Reply   
Remove this ad

#31 [url]

Jul 30 10 6:41 AM

trekky76 wrote:
What kind of team did Hungary field against Czechoslovakia, 1928-09-23?

Hungarian line-up:
Újvári József
Takács I. Géza
Hungler (Hunyadi) II. János
Kompóti (Kléber) Gábor
Volentik I. Béla
Berkessy Elemér
Senkey II. Gyula
ORDÓDY
Kalmár Jenő
Szedlacsek Ferenc
P. Szabó Gábor

With the exception of Ordódy all players have played full A internationals for Hungary. Some of them made their full international debut some weeks after that match, but nearly all of them played full internationals in 1928. Imho we can consider this match as full A.


Professional national teams played this match, PLASZ (Professional Footballers Association) their organization.
The Hungarian Football Association does not recognize it as official match.
In the Hungarian team not Ordody but Odry Ferenc played.

Quote    Reply   

#32 [url]

Aug 1 10 10:52 AM

www.magyarfutball.hu is an excellent site, which explains a lot about Hungarian football. As this site contains the match 24-01-1934 Netherlands (not the best players) 1-5 Budapest XI, I wonder why following matches are not included in its list as well?

25-06-1933 Netherlands 6-5 Hungary Prof
30-06-1935 Netherlands 2-3 Hungary Prof (not best players)
04-07-1935 Netherlands Youth 1-2 Hungary prof (not best players)
09-12-1936 Netherlands (not the best players) 0-1 Hungary XI

www.magyarfutball.hu also made clear Hungarian FA regarded some matches played by PLASZ team as official afterwards, like i.e. in 1926 against Portugal, in 1927 against Czechoslovakia and in 1933 against Portugal. I wonder why the 25-06-1933 match Netherlands - Hungary has not been included? In this match both Netherlands and Hungary played with its full strengthened team.

Quote    Reply   

#33 [url]

Aug 1 10 8:04 PM

The other matches will also be on the website, but we are still trying to collect the data.

It is difficult to say how the Hungarian FA recognizes the matches.
In 2000, the six matches. They approved a 1956 Portugal - Hungary match, but a few days after the Lisbon - Budapest (with the same players) is not. They do not like to change, because then the statistics should be amended (the 100th match would be the 101th and so on).

Quote    Reply   

#34 [url]

May 1 11 11:14 AM

magyarfutball.hu wrote:
They do not like to change, because then the statistics should be amended (the 100th match would be the 101th and so on).

If they don't like to change, because then the statistics should be amended (the 100th match would be the 101th and so on), why did they decide in 2002 to regard six matches as official afterwards (1926 against Portugal, 1927 against Czechoslovakia, 1933 against Portugal, 1952 against Moscow XI (which was de facto USSR) and 1956 against Lebanon?

-> -> -> -> ->

When Austria was part of the Third Reich (1938-1945) some Vienna v Budapest matches have been played. These matches were de facto Austria v Hungary matches. As far details of three matches have been published at www.magyarfutball.hu. As they have been published recently, probably more of these matches might have been played. The matches mentioned were played on dates Germany did not play or no Austrians were included in the German team that played on the very same day.

24-04-1938 Vienna (Austria) 3-5 Budapest (Hungary)
http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/2518

01-10-1939 Vienna (Austria) 3-1 Budapest (Hungary)
http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/3113

09-06-1940 Budapest (Hungary) 0-1 Vienna (Austria)
http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/3135

-> -> -> -> -> -> ->
As the http://kranten etc sides does not work anymore, here I have found an alternative for the 24-01-1934 match between an Hungarian and Dutch side. The Dutch fielded a team the named De Zwaluwen, which is not the real NT, but a team with in particular youngsters or other players who might be NT players into the future.

http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/2811

Quote    Reply   

#36 [url]

May 6 11 7:42 PM

Fast Midfielder wrote:
Does anyone have the details of the match Hungary 1-1 Canada played on 28-10-1974, which is not regarded official by Hungarian FA?


Do you have the goalscorers? If you cite them, I can start a Google search.

Quote    Reply   

#37 [url]

May 6 11 7:57 PM

Luca wrote:
Fast Midfielder wrote:
Does anyone have the details of the match Hungary 1-1 Canada played on 28-10-1974, which is not regarded official by Hungarian FA?


Do you have the goalscorers? If you cite them, I can start a Google search.

I have only the Canadian line up + Canadian goalscorer from the book North American National teams 1885-2007:
Jack Brand; Christopher Horrocks, Kevin Grant, Silvano Lenarduzzi Bruce Wilson; James Douglas, Brian Robinson, Robert Bolitho; Victor Kodelja, Leslie Parsons, Christopher Bennet. The Canadian goal was scored by Victor Kodelja. Unfortunately opponent's line ups are not mentioned.

Quote    Reply   

#38 [url]

May 6 11 8:12 PM

At the moment I've only found this information:

http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/2736

It seems that Hungary played with their "B" team and that the Magyar goalscorer was "Hauzer".

Quote    Reply   

#39 [url]

Aug 1 11 6:45 PM

Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject:
When Austria was part of the Third Reich (1938-1945) some Vienna v Budapest matches were played. These matches were de facto Austria v Hungary matches, because at the time all Austrian NT players were from Vienna clubs and all Hungarian NT players were from Budapest clubs. As far details of four matches have been published at www.magyarfutball.hu. As they have been published recently, probably more of these matches might have been played. The matches mentioned were played on dates Germany did not play or no Austrians were included in the German team that played on the very same day. The Austrians once played as Ostmark, on 22-10-1939 against Bohemia and Moravia (5-5). That day no Austrians played for Germany. Czech FA regard this match against Ostmark (Austria) as official A-international since 2006.

24-04-1938 Vienna (Austria) 3-5 Budapest (Hungary)
http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/2518
One can read a match report here http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?apm=0&aid=nfp&datum=19380425&seite=6&zoom=1 says among others the match is the 84th between both sides and the what they name Germanaustrians were not able to break the 4 year unbeaten run of the Hungarians.
Some facts about Hungary v Austria: at the time Hungary and Austria have played 82 official A-internationals so far (including the 10 played as Budapest v Vienna in the 1902-08 era). The last Austrian victory against Hungary was at the 1934 World Cup quarter final, which was 4 years ago at the moment.

01-10-1939 Vienna (Austria) 3-1 Budapest (Hungary)
http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/3113 The match report here http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?apm=0&aid=ovz&datum=19391002&seite=4&zoom=1 says among others the match is the 85th between both sides and the Viennese beat Budapest for the first time in 5 1/2 years.

09-06-1940 Budapest (Hungary) 0-1 Vienna (Austria)
http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/3135 match report http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?apm=0&aid=dkb&datum=19400610&seite=6&zoom=2

26-10-1941 Vienna (Austria) 8-2 Budapest (Hungary)
http://www.magyarfutball.hu/hu/merkozes/3274

Quote    Reply   

#40 [url]

Aug 4 11 3:24 PM

Bari 11-05-1962 Italy B - Hungary II 3-1
(Hungary II was an unofficial NT)

Como 01-06-1980 Italy - Hungary B 4-1

Both matches are not listed in the hungarian site

Quote    Reply   
Remove this ad
Add Reply

Quick Reply

bbcode help