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Apr 30 09 12:05 PM

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East-Germany played some matches before they started to play full A internationals on 21-09-1952. The first four matches they played as German Eastzone as former DDR pronounced its independence on 07-10-1949.

06-06-1949 Sachsen 0-1 German Eastzone -> Leipzig
00-08-1949 Hungary B 3-2 German Eastzone -> Budapest
00-08-1949 Hungarian regional XI 3-4 German Eastzone -> Debrecen
00-08-1949 North-East Hungary XI 3-3 German Eastzone
31-12-1949 SG Friedrichstadt Dresden 2-0 DDR
26-02-1950 Mecklenburg 1-4 DDR -> Rostock
25-03-1950 Sachsen-Anhalt 1-5 DDR -> Magdeburg
23-04-1950 Sachsen 1-3 DDR -> Zwickau
14-05-1950 DDR A 1-7 DDR B -> Bad Elster?
28-05-1950 Prague XI 1-0 DDR -> Prague
18-05-1952 Hungary 5-0 DDR -> Budapest (Hungarian FA regard this match as full A international)
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#3 [url]

Jul 12 09 11:51 AM

range">14-05-1950 DDR A 1-7 DDR B 33. Herz 0-1, 44. Franke 0-2, 49. Franke 0-3, 64. Alpert 0-4, 72. Alpert 0-5, 76. Herz 0-6, 76. Kandziora 0-7, 83. Wozniakowski 1-7.
DDR A: Birkner; Gödicke, Staube; Kreische, Nordhaus, Knefler; Wohlfahrt, Schöne, Wozniakowski, Kollenda, Drognitz.
DDR B: Hindenberg; Höhne, Laband; Kandziora, Oehler, Müller; Rappsilber, Holze, Franke, Herz, Alpert.

DDR B fielded Fritz Laband who became member of the 1954 German team that won the World Cup.

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Nov 1 09 11:02 PM

According to following website 28-05-1950 East-Germany played an unofficial match against Czechoslovakia (0-1) in Berlin.http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=504404

According to following site http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_nieoficjalnych_mecz%C3%B3w_reprezentacji_Polski_A_i_B_w_pi%C5%82ce_no%C5%BCnej two international matches played by East-Germany: 21-04-1951 East-Germany 0-3 Poland in Berlin
25-04-1951 East-Germany 1-4 Poland in Leipzig
If Poland really played these matches with its full national team, actually East-Germany played its first full international on 21-04-1951.

So East-German matches before they started to play full A internationals on 21-09-1952 are (the first four matches they played as German Eastzone as former DDR pronounced its independence on 07-10-1949).

06-06-1949 Sachsen 0-1 German Eastzone -> Leipzig
25-08-1949 Hungarian Trade Union XI 3-2 German Eastzone -> Budapest
27-08-1949 East-Hungary XI 3-4 German Eastzone -> Debrecen
28-08-1949 North-East Hungary XI 3-3 German Eastzone -> Nyíregyháza
31-12-1949 SG Friedrichstadt Dresden 2-0 DDR
26-02-1950 Mecklenburg 1-4 DDR -> Rostock
25-03-1950 Sachsen-Anhalt 1-5 DDR -> Magdeburg
23-04-1950 Sachsen 1-3 DDR -> Zwickau
14-05-1950 DDR A 1-7 DDR B -> Bad Elster?
28-05-1950 DDR 0-1- Prague XI -> Berlin
21-04-1951 DDR 0-3 Poland -> Berlin
25-04-1951 DDR 1-4 Poland -> Leipzig
05-08-1951 DDR 1-5 Dinamo Moscow (including 1 Dinamo Kiev player) -> Berlin
10-08-1951 DDR 0-2 Dinamo Moscow (including 2 Dinamo Kiev players) -> Berlin
18-05-1952 Hungary 5-0 DDR -> Budapest (Hungarian FA regard this match as full A international)

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Jun 10 10 4:03 PM

Fast Midfielder wrote:


According to following site http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_nieoficjalnych_mecz%C3%B3w_reprezentacji_Polski_A_i_B_w_pi%C5%82ce_no%C5%BCnej two international matches played by East-Germany: 21-04-1951 East-Germany 0-3 Poland in Berlin
25-04-1951 East-Germany 1-4 Poland in Leipzig
If Poland really played these matches with its full national team, actually East-Germany played its first full international on 21-04-1951.


Poland played these matches as "Labour Union XI".

GDR lineup for the 1952 match vs Hungary:
Ritter
Nordhaus Helmut
Rappsilber Herbert
Eilitz Werner
Scherbaum Horst
Wohlfahrt Karl-Heinz
Schröter Günther
Krause Rudolf
Schöne Johannes
Müller Jochen
Franke Horst

I don't recognise the goalie here though..

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Jan 29 12 9:26 AM

trekky76 wrote:
Fast Midfielder wrote:


According to following site http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_nieoficjalnych_mecz%C3%B3w_reprezentacji_Polski_A_i_B_w_pi%C5%82ce_no%C5%BCnej two international matches played by East-Germany: 21-04-1951 East-Germany 0-3 Poland in Berlin
25-04-1951 East-Germany 1-4 Poland in Leipzig
If Poland really played these matches with its full national team, actually East-Germany played its first full international on 21-04-1951.


Poland played these matches as "Labour Union XI".

Did Poland labelled these matches as "Labour Union XI", because there was no official East-German team in 1951 and East-Germany was no (provisional) FIFA member?, as we can see at http://roonba.20.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=963

nfm24 wrote:
Straits Times, 15 October 1951
London, Sunday - FIFA admits East Germany provisionally, announced yesterday.
FIFA stated - "The committee accepts the provisional affiliation of the football section of the sports movement of the German democratic republic, it being understood that there can only be one German team in the World Cup."

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Jan 29 12 12:52 PM

There are a lot of matches played with this label. As you say, the situation regarding German national team was not clear yet but I've no clue if that was the cause. Reading the press, the matches were played at the time of an official month long friendship between GDR and Poland, including state visits and that sort. Seems there was a large delegation to Berlin, incl. the president, and the official visit ended at the 25th of April.
BTW, reading papers from that time is quite surreal with all this glory to the socialism propaganda... but that's history now.

www.soccer-db.info

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Jan 30 12 8:51 AM

Try Przegląd Sportowy at http://buwcd.buw.uw.edu.pl/e_zbiory/ckcp/p_sportowy/1951/index.html - annoyingly, I can't open it now either with FF or IE, even though other "segmented" DJVU files work

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Jan 30 12 2:41 PM

silvermane wrote:
Try Przegląd Sportowy at http://buwcd.buw.uw.edu.pl/e_zbiory/ckcp/p_sportowy/1951/index.html - annoyingly, I can't open it now either with FF or IE, even though other "segmented" DJVU files work


It confirms the matches were labeled as GDR national team vs CRZZ (Labour Union XI).

www.soccer-db.info

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Jun 4 12 9:14 AM

25.08.1949.World Youth Summit
Hungary Trade Union Team - East Germany Trade Union Team 3-2
Budapest, Üllői úti stadion, 8.000 att.
HUN: Károlyi - Lóránt, Balogh - Preiner, Nagy II., Kirádi - Egresi, Mező, Szilágyi I., Keszthelyi II., Tóth.
GDR: Franke - Sommer, Straube - Kreische, Rose, Pohl - Kossler, Werner, Schnicke, Lenk, Fröhlich.
Goal: 1' Szilágyi I., 5' Keszthelyi II., 21' Szilágyi I. & 55' Schnicke, 70' Werner

27.08.1949
East Hungary - East Germany Trade Union Team 3-4
Debrecen, Nagyerdei stadion, 3.000 att.
EHUN: ?
GDR: ?
Goal: 17' Kóczián, 62' Kóczián, ?' Komlósi & 42' Werner, 43' Werner, 51' Kesler, 80' Fröchlich



28.08.1949.
North-East team (ÉKLASZ*) - East Germany 3-3
Nyíregyháza, 2.500 att.
ÉKLASZ: Rácz - Lovász, Demeter - Kiss, Valach, Pokrovenszky - Szászi, Varga (46' Parragh), Molnár, Szalay, Zsoldos.
GDR: Hindenberg - Straube, Rose - Pohl, Kraise, Manti - Sommer, Lenk, Schmiedt, Fröhlich (?' Frankl), Kesler.
Goal: 9' Szászi, ?' Szászi, 38' Zsoldos & 25' Frankl, ?' Frankl, 82' Sommer
*ÉKLASZ = North-East Football Association

http://www.magyarfutball.hu

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Jan 17 14 10:56 PM

Line ups of the DDR 0-3 Poland match played on 21-04-1951 in Berlin which is de facto DDR's first full A-international ever (on page 6).

DDR: Busch - Straube, Henning - Teitz, Eilitz, Schneiter - Schröter, Mikesch, Schöne, Weissenfels (Oberländer), Mayer.
Poland: Borucz - Gedlek, Glimas - Suszczyk, Kaszuba, Wieczorek - Trampisz, Jaskowski, Aniola, Cieslik, Wisniewski.

Goals: 35. Aniola 0-1, 57. Aniola 0-2, 58. Cieslik 0-3.

Line ups of the DDR 1-4 Poland match played on 25-04-1951 in Leipzig.

DDR: Hendenberg (Busch) - Scherbaum, Senglaub - Rapsilber, Eilitz, Knefler - Schröter, Brüll (Schöne), Oberländer, Fröhlich (Weiss), Mayer.
Poland: Borucz - Gedlek, Glimas - Suszczyk, Kaszuba, Wieczorek - Trampisz, Jaskowski, Aniola (Szymborski), Cieslik, Wesolowski (Wisniewski).

Goals: 5. Cieslik 0-1, 28. Cieslik 0-2, 50. Weiss 1-2, 71. Cielsik 1-3, 89. Szymborski 1-4. Attendance: 60.000.


Last Edited By: Fast Midfielder Jan 17 14 11:05 PM. Edited 3 times.

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Jan 18 14 7:13 PM

In East German newspapers, the Polish team was called either a Polish selection, Warsaw Selection, or Warsaw Trade Union selection. Obviously we can see from the player names that it was strongest set of Polish players.

I found that the DDR lineup for 21-4-51 had Rappsilber and Brüll instead ot Teitz and "Mikesch",

For 25-5-51 the same lineups but with one more sub Buschner for Senglaub. Goals: Cieslik 4' 27' 67' (or 72'), Aniola 90' / Schroter 50'

The Polish team also won 2-0 in Dresden on 23-4-1951 vs a selection of Sachsen (Saxony).
Goals: Gogolewski 6', Szymborski 90'
Sachsen: Otto; Rose, Bleschke; Scherbaum, Schubert, Polland; Helbig, Krause, TrOger, Volde, Schauer
Poland: Jurowicz; Wolosz, Sobkowiak; Szczurek, Brozozowski, Szczepanski (Wieczorek); Wisniewski (Cieslik), Jaskowski, Szymborski, Gogolewski, Wesolowski.
Crowd 45000, Heinz-Steyer-Stadion

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Jan 18 14 9:38 PM

Yes. "Neues Deutschland" and "Berliner Zeitung" gave the pre-match lineup on the day of the first game. The post-match reports did not explicitly give lineups but did not mention changes.
BTW, did my suggestion allow you to see DDR newspapers?

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#18 [url]

Jan 18 14 10:35 PM

In that case I suggest to let DDR line up as showed in the Polish match report, but just because there is no line up in the DDR post-match reports. If there was, I would have relied for DDR line up on DDR sources.

I haven't tried yet because I was busy with other things and the A-international topic has my top priority. Because I certainly want to find out also some DDR cases I will certainly try.

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Jan 19 14 10:20 AM

Although it won't be very helpful, I transcribe a sentence of the match report citing "Mikesch":

"wiele kłopotu sprawiał naszej obronie lewoskrzydłowy Mayer i prawy łącznik Mikesch."

Using Google Translate:

"a lot of trouble for our defense were caused by ​​a left winger Mayer and right connector Mikesch."

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