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Sep 11 10 2:23 AM

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http://www.jamaicafootballfederation.com/history2.htm

I provided them with a list of matches in PDF a few years ago, and they've thanked me by putting it online, without giving me any mention
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Sep 11 10 6:26 PM

Yes indeed, copyright expiry dates are much shorter these days ;-)

Luckily it's still missing a few games anyway so they can't relax yet...
(e.g. 1963 friendly vs Belize)

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Sep 11 10 11:45 PM

pieter wrote:
Thanks, I had the match but thought it was Honduras...
Are there other results known of British Honduras ?


08/12/83 - Belize 0-2 Canada in Belmopan (first game as Belize, before Belize became FIFA members). Canada played with their Olympic team, but other matches by Canada's Olympic team around this time (against Honduras, for example) are counted as A matches. Probably the only reason this one wasn;t counted was because Belize were not FIFA members.

??/??/1926 - Guatemala 4-0 British Honduras in Guatemala City (Guatemala played with only players from the capital - this happened on some other occasions, and these matches were counted as A internationals by Guatemala)

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Sep 14 10 9:43 AM

??/??/1953 Belize Town British Honduras ?-? Hollywood FC (Jamaican club) [two games]

09/09/1962 Belize Town British Honduras 2-1 St George's Old Boys (Jamaican club)

Tour of Jamaica: (but no international was played)
24/10/1963 Kingston Railway 2-0 British Honduras
28/10/1963 St Ann's Bay St Ann FA XI 1-3 British Honduras
31/10/1963 Kingston St George's O.B. 1-2 British Honduras
02/11/1963 Monymusk Monymusk 0-4 British Honduras

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Oct 16 13 9:57 PM

I've been able to confirm this match reported by RSSSF; 26/11/1926 Jamaica-Haiti 6-0 as being played 20/11/1926!
From Kingston Gleaner's archives I got that Haiti also played Jamaican club teams on the 23rd (YMCA), 25th (Kingston Club) , 27th (Melbourne Club), 29th (St Catherine) and 1st Dec. (St George Club).

www.soccer-db.info - football internationals

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Oct 16 13 11:05 PM

Some more matches not included at RSSSF;
Jamaica-Curaçao Football Club 1926-03-03 (2-0 at Winchester Park) and 1926-03-04 (unknown).

CFC team:
J. Lamper; V. Argus, W. Ouderland; A. Sintiago, W. Domacasse, W. H. Classens; A. Laurens, R. Vos, H. Mantrugh, A. Jourdain, I. Tromp


It is the same Curaçao who played Haiti.
Results as reported by RSSSF:
24/01/1926 Port-au-Prince HAITI 1-1 CURACAO
31/01/1926 Port-au-Prince HAITI 0-1 CURACAO
07/02/1926 Port-au-Prince HAITI 2-1 CURACAO (Match Abandoned)
14/02/1926 Port-au-Prince HAITI 2-2 CURACAO

Maybe someone else knows what kind of team it could've been..

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Last Edited By: SDb Oct 16 13 11:09 PM. Edited 1 time.

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Oct 16 13 11:18 PM

Another match;
Jamaica XI vs Costa Rica 1926-05-02 (1-2)
Jamaica were represented by St Catherine (a local FA) but it was also quoted as being Jamaica XI (Combined).

Costa Rica:
Willie Hug; Joaquin Gutierrez, Gilberto Arguedas; Jesus Conego, Lorenzo Arias, Otomiel Martinez; Jose Crochers, Branho Morales, Francisco Gutierrez, Claudio Arguedas, Salvador Tabasch
Jamaica XI: C.J. Davids; W. Passailaigue, D. McGill; H.G. Keeling, M. Patterson, H.A. Peet; F. Chevannes, G.C. Gordon, W.N. McDonald, J. Fraser, L.E. Cawley, H.A. Carnegie
Goals: C. Arguedas, B. Morales, G. Cruchley

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Last Edited By: SDb Oct 16 13 11:22 PM. Edited 1 time.

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Oct 16 13 11:57 PM

Yes, Neil and I went through the Gleaner archives a few years ago and found many such matches. It's a pity there are no newspapers for the rest of the Caribbean with such good coverage. There are CANA reports in the Jamaica Gleaner covering other islands (for example, Grenada-St. Kitts matches in the 1930s), but frustratingly, CANA make it difficult (impossible) for an individual to access their archives. Many of the missing Caribbean results could be found easily with a searchable CANA archive.

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Oct 17 13 4:47 AM

SDb wrote:
I've been able to confirm this match reported by RSSSF; 26/11/1926 Jamaica-Haiti 6-0 as being played 20/11/1926!
From Kingston Gleaner's archives I got that Haiti also played Jamaican club teams on the 23rd (YMCA), 25th (Kingston Club) , 27th (Melbourne Club), 29th (St Catherine) and 1st Dec. (St George Club).

Yes as Mark mentioned Barrie's RSSSF file is only a "first draft" really.  The full results of this tour;
17-11-26 Combined Schools  3-1  Haiti
20-11-26 All-Jamaica 6-0 Haiti
23-11-26 YMCA 2-1 Haiti
25-11-26 Kingston 0-4 Haiti
27-11-26 Melbourne 2-0 Haiti
29-11-26 St Catherine 0-3 Haiti  [at Spanish Town]
 1-12-26 All-Jamaica 7-0  Jeanne d'Arc (visiting French ship)
 2-12-26  H.G.MacDonald's Jamaica XI  (also given as Middlesex, but basically a full Jamaica team) 4-0  Haiti   [at Port Maria]
 4-12-26 St George Club 1-0 Haiti


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Oct 17 13 4:54 AM

SDb wrote:
Some more matches not included at RSSSF;
Jamaica-Curaçao Football Club 1926-03-03 (2-0 at Winchester Park) and 1926-03-04 (unknown).

The 4-3-26 match was cancelled.  On the way back Curacao also played in Santo Domingo.

Curacao is covered by newspapers online, as is Haiti for this tour.  For example:
http://kranten.kb.nl/view/article/id/ddd%3A010281187%3Ampeg21%3Ap005%3Aa0023
http://dloc.com/UF00000081/16179

Note that two of the scores (Haiti vs Curacao) you pasted from RSSSF are wrong.

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Oct 17 13 5:47 AM

Some more corrections for RSSSF. I assume you know of them;
RSSSF:
09/10/1948 Kingston JAMAICA 1-0 HAITI
11/10/1948 Kingston JAMAICA 3-0 HAITI
13/10/1948 Kingston JAMAICA 1-2 HAITI

Should be:
11/10/1948 Kingston JAMAICA 1-0 HAITI
13/10/1948 Kingston JAMAICA 1-2 HAITI
16/10/1948 Kingston JAMAICA 3-0 HAITI

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Oct 17 13 1:45 PM

1949-12-18 Jamaica - Cuba 5-2;
Cuba was All-Ceiba, amateur champions of Cuba. Cannot be regarded as full international..
Also, it says the Haiti match two days later (next day according to the Gleaner) was added after the Cuba match (Haiti requested) hence I'm not sure it was a 3-nations tournament as RSSSF says.

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Last Edited By: SDb Oct 17 13 2:03 PM. Edited 2 times.

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Oct 17 13 8:58 PM

Yes - RSSSF is not the most up-to-date version of current knowledge. And a considerable portion of the established information is wrong (not just dates, but also results).

On top of this Jamaican info, there is a mountain of info from Africa which is not on RSSSF yet (including many new international matches) and many other friendly matches (also "A" internationals) from all over the world. As far as I am aware, many of these results are not available anywhere else. Neil and I spoke about somehow merging and updating all of our info to create some kind of 'master' file, because having thousands of files/e-mails/documents with little bits and pieces is not really sustainable. But it's quite difficult to know where to start...

FIFA has an African archive (with results from CAN qualifiers and All-Africa Games qualifiers, apparently), but in order to get information from it, I basically have to know exactly what I am looking for, and then they will send someone down to the library at FIFA HQ to look it up (if they can be bothered). The FIFA 50 years of African Football DVDs which were going to be released (but never were) were simply extracts from this master archive, compiled by a Tunisian journalist.

The people at FIFA, however, don't seem to care too much about the contents of the archive. So it can be slow and frustrating to get just a small amount of information from them. Likewise with editions of FIFA news. They have every edition in PDF format, but it becomes monotonous to keep asking them for copies. It would be much easier if they would just let someone access their library and extract the relevant information for themselves. Ultimately, it would benefit FIFA, as they would at least have all their data as correct and up-to-date as possible.

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Oct 18 13 9:29 AM

TheRoonBa wrote:
The people at FIFA, however, don't seem to care too much about the contents of the archive.
I could say the same thing about UEFA too. Their section about the old editions of the European Champion Clubs' Cup shows many imprecisions, mainly concerning the line-ups of the various teams. I've recognized many data that need a correction and I informed them many times, but they don't seem to be very interested in fixing these info.
One day or another, I'm going to open a topic about it, but I wouldn't want to annoy anybody... 

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Oct 18 13 4:56 PM

FIFA doesn't even care in getting their 2014 qualifier match reports correct.. let alone fix their archived ones.
At least with UEFA you can count on them getting the recent matches correct.

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