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Jul 1 13 10:57 PM

TheRoonBa wrote:
I don't think Ethiopia will win in Central African Republic,
Even if they did win they would probably concede the points for having fielded 12 players or worn illegal studs or some other incompetence.

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Jul 5 13 1:20 PM

Togo's win over Cameroon awarded 0-3 to Cameroon. Cameroon now a point ahead of Libya - both teams meet in Cameroon on the last day of fixtures. Now, Libya must win to get to the next round. Before, they needed a draw only.

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Jul 5 13 9:02 PM

FIFA won't change the results of the matches until they are confirmed by their legal team. This is despite the fact the Ethiopia v Botswana decision was made on 1st July, and is on FIFA's website. And the Ethiopia FA has publicly declared its intention not to appeal against the decision (The BBC carried this story on its website).

The reason I was given for why the match result has not yet been changed on FIFA.com is that "Ethiopia can still appeal"

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Jul 5 13 11:04 PM

Well that's fair enough but surely the default position should be to impose the walkover with a footnote saying "pending appeal", until the deadline to do so has passed. If there was an appeal then how long would it take? When things get legal then there could be a long tedious wait, which may affect the schedule for the last round of group games, and subsequent playoffs.

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Jul 6 13 2:15 PM

True but those are beyond salvation anyway. When a match result is annulled or awarded, it would make some sense to remove it completely from the rankings. Using either the original or walkover result may be misleading.

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Jul 6 13 3:43 PM

nfm24 wrote:
True but those are beyond salvation anyway. When a match result is annulled or awarded, it would make some sense to remove it completely from the rankings. Using either the original or walkover result may be misleading.

You certainly have a point. In individual sports this kind of matter is easy, the achievements of an athlete who violated the rules will be removed so the match will remain in the statistics. Eveyone who finshed after the offender will move one place up at the match (competition's) rankings.

Team sports is a different story. Anulling the result will also affect the records of those who did not violated the rules. This, only this, makes a walk over result fair. Nevertheless I totally agree both original or walk over result may be misleading. If a team win 2-0 by violating the rules and get a 0-3 defeat awarded, it won't say the result would have been 2-0 or 0-3 if they did not violate the rules.

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Jul 20 13 11:38 AM

FIFA awarded Cape Verde a 3-0 win over Equatorial Guinea for the match on 24th March 2013 (EG originally won 4-3).This now gives Cape Verde a small chance of pipping Tunisia for the top place in the group.
[NFM: edited to correct date]

[TRB: thanks for correcting date.  I'm horrified I mixed up 24 and 7, two quite different looking numbers]

Last Edited By: TheRoonBa Jul 20 13 9:55 PM. Edited 2 times.

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Jul 23 13 12:20 AM

It's hard up here in the asteroid belt. Air quality is pretty naff. Oh look, a 1971 Guinea result! Damn......, destroyed in a meteor shower before I had the chance to write it down.  Blasted space pencils!

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Sep 11 13 5:41 PM

Some nice away wins, which are fairly unusual in Africa:
CAR 1-2 Ethiopia
Sudan 2-3 Lesotho
Tunisia 0-2 Cape Verde


Final 10 to playoff for 5 places (draw to be held 16 Sep, seeding from Sep 2013 FIFA ranking, to be "released" 12 Sep).

Based on the Aug 2013 ranking, the seedings would be:
Top 5 : Ivory Coast (18/1), Ghana (24/2), Algeria (34/4), Nigeria (35/5), Cape Verde (36/6)
Bottom 5: Burkina Faso (48/7), Cameroon (51/8), Egypt (61/11), Senegal (78/17), Ethiopia (102/27).

I would like to see Ethiopia and Egypt qualify, but the draw could be against them.


Feebleness ranking of "big" African teams:
1. Tunisia
2. South Africa
3. Morocco
4. Sudan
5. Mali
6. DR Congo

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Sep 12 13 3:00 PM

Cape Verde saw their win against Tunisia overturned for fielding a player who had seen a red card in a retroactively forfeited match against Equatorial Guinea. Even though according to FIFA's own Disciplinary Code such suspensions are lifted once a match is forfeited due to the fielding of inelebigle players.

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Sep 12 13 3:21 PM

Shame that Cape Verde has to suffer. As usual, the 'big' team benefits. FIFA's Disciplinary Code seems to back up their decision (but also, it is not very clear in 19.5):

17.5 Cautions issued in a match that is subsequently forfeited shall not be annulled.
18.4. An expulsion automatically incurs suspension from the subsequent match,
even if imposed in a match that is later abandoned, annulled and/or forfeited.

It goes on to say:
19.5. A match suspension is regarded as no longer pending if a match is
retroactively forfeited because a player took part in a match despite being
ineligible (art. 55). This also applies to the match suspension imposed on the
player who took part in the match despite being ineligible


It only applies to the ineligible player in that match (the Equatorial Guinea player in this case) and not the Cape Verde player. His suspension stands as per 17.5 and 18.4 above.

Last Edited By: TheRoonBa Sep 12 13 3:35 PM. Edited 1 time.

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Sep 12 13 5:28 PM

WOW. "For the Good of the Game"
If Tunisia have any honesty, they will withdraw and allow Cape Verde to progress anyway.

But again, it's unacceptable that these issues are not resolved before the game starts.
As much as it is probably the FA's responsibility to a large extent,  FIFA needs to step in here and introduce some simple protocol to prevent so many walkovers.
It seems straightforward : maintain a list of all players currently under suspension.  Put this online, and also send update reminders to the associations, referees, and commissioners.   At least then, FIFA can say it tried to help.

There are still 10 matches to go in Round 3, so what are the odds of one of these being a walkover?

Last Edited By: nfm24 Sep 12 13 5:54 PM. Edited 1 time.

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Sep 12 13 10:14 PM

Let's not forget Cape Verde themselves only qualified for the playoffs because of an awarded result. This edition's African qualfiers can be sumed up in one word; farce. Possibly once in a lifetime opportunity for Cape Verde wasted!

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Sep 13 13 8:40 AM

Unfortunately this kind of errors can occur even to the most important clubs. I remember, a couple of years ago, Inter registered Diego Forlán in the UEFA Champions League list, even if the Uruguayan striker was ineligible, because he had already appeared in the UEFA Europa League with Atlético de Madrid.

Anyway some FAs should be more diligent: it's a matter of World Cup, not of parish tournaments...

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