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“Almanacco Illustrato del Calcio 1984” (edited on October 1983):
Group A
20.11.1982 Calcutta North Korea Syria 1-1
21.11.1982 Calcutta Saudi Arabia Thailand 1-0
22.11.1982 Calcutta North Korea Thailand 3-0
23.11.1982 Calcutta Saudi Arabia Syria 1-1
24.11.1982 Calcutta North Korea Saudi Arabia 2-2
25.11.1982 Calcutta Thailand Syria 3-1

Group B
20.11.1982 Calcutta Kuwait Nepal 3-1
21.11.1982 Calcutta Iraq Burma 4-0
22.11.1982 Calcutta Kuwait Burma 4-0
23.11.1982 Calcutta Iraq Nepal 3-0
24.11.1982 Calcutta Kuwait Iraq 2-1
25.11.1982 Calcutta Burma Nepal 3-0

Group C
20.11.1982 New Delhi China Malaysia 1-0
21.11.1982 New Delhi India Bangladesh 2-0
22.11.1982 New Delhi India Malaysia 1-0
23.11.1982 New Delhi China Bangladesh 1-0
24.11.1982 New Delhi Bangladesh Malaysia 2-1
25.11.1982 New Delhi India China 2-2

Group D
20.11.1982 New Delhi South Korea South Yemen 3-0
21.11.1982 New Delhi Japan Iran 1-0
22.11.1982 New Delhi Iran South Korea 1-0
23.11.1982 New Delhi Japan South Yemen 3-1
24.11.1982 New Delhi Iran South Yemen 2-0
25.11.1982 New Delhi Japan South Korea 2-1

Quarterfinals
27.11.1982 New Delhi North Korea China 1-0
27.11.1982 New Delhi India Saudi Arabia 0-1
28.11.1982 New Delhi Kuwait Iran 1-0
28.11.1982 New Delhi Iraq Japan 1-0

Semifinals
01.11.1982 New Delhi Kuwait North Korea 3-2
01.11.1982 New Delhi Iraq Saudi Arabia 1-0

Final
03.11.1982 New Delhi Iraq Kuwait 1-0

Comparison Almanacco/RSSSF
. Scores coincident
. Dates different
. Almanacco edited 11 months after Games
RSSSF page edited in 2009 (27 years after Games)
. In Almanacco: all the Matches are dated
In RSSSF: some dates are missing
.In Almanacco: Groups A/B played in Calcutta; Groups C/D in New Delhi
In RSSSF: all Matches played in New Delhi

If “Almanacco” is right (as I presume) tables in RSSSF should be modified and up-to-date.

May I have your comments?
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Jan 9 12 1:19 PM

http://www.nepalsport.com/fnnationalteam_ag82.htm

This website gives even more different dates for Nepal's group, and says the group was held in Delhi (not Calcutta). It confirms the Kuwait 3-1 Nepal scoreline (shown as 3-0 (possibly 3-1) on RSSSF. It mentions the Nepal goalscorer for this match (B.Ghale).

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Jan 9 12 1:22 PM

http://www.thaifootball.com/tournaments/asiangames/ag-1982.html

Thaifootball website gives another set of different dates (seemingly copied from raoul da silva's old website).

So, now we have 4 different sets of dates!

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Jan 9 12 1:26 PM

http://www.alnwady.com/stock/archive/index.php/t-77345-p-2.html

Kuwait website also confirms what Nepal website says (Kuwait 3-1 Nepal was on 26.11.1982) and confirms venue as New Delhi.

Also gives Kuwait scorers:

26-نوفمبر-1982 [كرة القــدم] الكويت 3-1 نيبال فاز منتخب الكويت على نيبال بنتيجة 3/1 ضمن دورة الألعاب الآسيوية التي أقيمت في نيودلهي.

سجل للكويت يوسف سويد ، عبدالله بلوشي ، عنبر سعيد

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Jan 9 12 1:35 PM

http://www.startimes.com/f.aspx?t=25426965

And a 5th set of dates from Iraq:

Iraq 4 / 0 Burma
Date / Location :20-11- 1982 / New Delhi - India

Iraq 3 / 0 Nepal
Date / Location :23-11- 1982 / New Delhi - India

Iraq 1 / 2 Kuwait
Date / Location 26-11- 1982 / New Delhi - India

Iraq 1 / 0 Japan
Date / Location :28-11- 1982 / New Delhi - India

Iraq 1 / 0 Saudi Arabia
Date / Location :02-12- 1982 / New Delhi - India

Iraq 1 / 0 Kuwait
Date / Location :04-12- 1982 / New Delhi - India

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Jan 9 12 4:09 PM

Very important to know from RSSSF's authors where they got their information.

Another (minor) remark:
in RSSSF "Ambedkar Stadium" is mentioned four(4) times.
But "Ambedkar Stadium" was opened in 2007!! (see Wikipedia).

Difficult matter!!!

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Jan 9 12 5:06 PM

Giampaolo wrote:
Another (minor) remark:
in RSSSF "Ambedkar Stadium" is mentioned four(4) times.
But "Ambedkar Stadium" was opened in 2007!! (see Wikipedia).


Ambedkar Stadium was RE-OPENED in 2007, after renovations. I will reply more about the match dates later.

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Jan 9 12 6:20 PM

nfm24 wrote:


Ambedkar Stadium was RE-OPENED in 2007, after renovations. I will reply more about the match dates later.


Thanks, Neil, for your punctual clarification about the stadium.
Was, may be, "old Ambedkar" the formerly called "Dhyan Chand Stadium" which hosted, according to Wikipedia, the 1951 Asian Games football Matches?

I'm anxiously waiting for your reply about the 1982 dates, because I think that you are the most feasible source.

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Jan 9 12 7:45 PM

Giampaolo wrote:
Was, may be, "old Ambedkar" the formerly called "Dhyan Chand Stadium" which hosted, according to Wikipedia, the 1951 Asian Games football Matches?


No they are different. Dhyan Chand is a hockey stadium. See Google maps:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=ambedkar+stadium&daddr=Dhyan+Chand+Stadium&sll=28.660466,77.256546

Giampaolo wrote:
I'm anxiously waiting for your reply about the 1982 dates, because I think that you are the most feasible source.


Full and confirmed dates are below. All matches were in New Delhi, not Calcutta.
If anyone has any further doubt, I can provide scans of newspaper reports to verify the dates below.

Sources included: Bangkok Post, New Straits Times, Xinhua News Agency, RDFC, zuqiuziliao.


Asian Games 1982

New Delhi, India, 20 Nov-3 Dec 1982.

The original group draw (announced 6th November) was:
Group A - North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Syria, North Yemen
Group B - Iraq, Kuwait, Nepal, Burma, South Yemen
Group C - China, Malaysia, Bangladesh, India
Group D - South Korea, Iran, Japan, Oman.
However Oman and North Yemen later withdrew, so South Yemen was moved to Group D.


Group A
20-11 North Korea 1-1 Syria [Ambedkar Stadium]
[Jang Bong-Yong 21' / Raghed Khalil 86']
20-11 Saudi Arabia 1-0 Thailand
[Othman Fayrouz 42']
22-11 North Korea 3-0 Thailand [Nehru Stadium]
[Han Hyong-Il 28' 56' 62']
22-11 Saudi Arabia 1-1 Syria
24-11 North Korea 2-2 Saudi Arabia [Chhatrasal Stadium (Model Town)]
[Kim Jong-Man 33', Hwang Sang-Hoi 40' / Ahmed Bayazid 11', Samir Abdulshaker 13']
24-11 Syria 1-3 Thailand [Nehru Stadium]
[Jamal Keshak 30' / Boonum Suksawat 8' 23', Piyapong Piew-On]

1.NORTH KOREA 3 1 2 0 6- 3 4
2.SAUDI ARABIA 3 1 2 0 4- 3 4
3.Syria 3 0 2 1 3- 5 2
4.Thailand 3 1 0 2 3- 5 2


Group B
21-11 Iraq 4-0 Burma
[Natiq Hashim 10', Hussein Saeed 32', Ali Hussein 54', Haris Mohammed 86']
21-11 Kuwait 3-1 Nepal
[Yousuf Al-Suwaid, Abdullah Al-Baloushi, Anbar Saeed / B.Ghale]
23-11 Iraq 3-0 Nepal
[Ayoub Odisho 3', Hussein Saeed 56' 75']
23-11 Kuwait 4-0 Burma [HT 2-0]
[Nasser Al-Ghanim, Abdulaziz Al-Anbari, Yousuf Al-Suwaid 81', Moayed Al-Haddad 86']
[Goal-scorers also reported as: Mohammed Nasser, Abdulaziz Al-Anbari, Mohammed Adam x2]
25-11 Kuwait 2-1 Iraq
[Yousuf Al-Suwaid, Abdulaziz Al-Anbari / Ali Hussein 73']
26-11 Burma 3-0 Nepal
[Tin Hlaing 41', Aye Maung 80', Maung Win 81']

1.KUWAIT 3 3 0 0 9- 2 6
2.IRAQ 3 2 0 1 8- 2 4
3.Burma 3 1 0 2 3- 8 2
4.Nepal 3 0 0 3 1- 9 0


Group C
20-11 China 1-0 Malaysia [Chhatrasal Stadium (Model Town)]
[Liu Chengde 23']
20-11 India 2-0 Bangladesh [Nehru Stadium]
[Prasun Banerjee x2]
22-11 China 1-0 Bangladesh
[Huang Xiangdong 22']
22-11 India 1-0 Malaysia [Ambedkar Stadium]
[Kartick Seth 68']
24-11 China 2-2 India [Ambedkar Stadium]
[Shen Xiangfu 25', Zuo Shusheng 82' / Shabbir Ali 53', Kartick Seth 60']
[first goal-scorer also reported as Lu Hongxiang]
24-11 Bangladesh 2-1 Malaysia

1.INDIA 3 2 1 0 5- 2 5
2.CHINA 3 2 1 0 4- 2 5
3.Bangladesh 3 1 0 2 2- 4 2
4.Malaysia 3 0 0 3 1- 4 0


Group D
21-11 Japan 1-0 Iran [Chhatrasal Stadium (Model Town)]
[Kazushi Kimura 79']
21-11 South Korea 3-0 South Yemen [Ambedkar Stadium]
[Chung Hae-Won 25', Choi Soon-Ho 75' 80']
23-11 Japan 3-1 South Yemen [Nehru Stadium]
[Hiromi Hara 66' 79', Tetsuya Totsuka 84' / Mehdi Salem Ahmed 50']
23-11 Iran 1-0 South Korea [Nehru Stadium]
[Hamid Darakhshan 47']
25-11 Japan 2-1 South Korea [Chhatrasal Stadium (Model Town)]
[Kazushi Kimura 58', Nobutoshi Kaneda 79' / Kang Sin-Woo 21']
[Japanese goal-scorers also reported as Hiromi Hara 58', Takeshi Okada 80']
25-11 Iran 2-0 South Yemen [Ambedkar Stadium]
[Nasser Mohamedkhani 49', Ali Fayroozi 67']

1.JAPAN 3 3 0 0 6- 2 6
2.IRAN 3 2 0 1 3- 1 4
3.South Korea 3 1 0 2 4- 3 2
4.South Yemen 3 0 0 3 1- 8 0


[Note: all knock-out games were at the Nehru Stadium]

Quarterfinals
27-11 North Korea 1-0 China
[Kim Jong-Man 58']
27-11 Saudi Arabia 1-0 India
[Ahmed Bayazid]
28-11 Kuwait 1-0 Iran [AET]
[Moayed Al-Haddad 97']
28-11 Japan 0-1 Iraq [AET]
[Emad Jassim 102']

Semifinals
30-11 Kuwait 3-2 North Korea [AET]
[Mahboub Jumaa Mubarak 90+' pen, Moayed Al-Haddad 102', Abdulaziz Al-Anbari 104' / Kim Jong-Man 76', Kim Won-Chol 112']
[After the final whistle the North Koreans (including officials and competitors
from other sports) attacked the Thai referee Vijit Getkaew. The police and some Thai
athletes entered the field to protect Vijit. Vijit later reported that several
North Koreans had attempted to bribe him and his linesmen earlier that day]
1-12 Iraq 1-0 Saudi Arabia
[Haris Mohammed 18']

Third Place Match
2-12 Saudi Arabia n/p North Korea
[Following their attack on the referee after the semifinal North Korea was suspended for
two years by the AFC, and the third place and bronze medals were awarded to Saudi Arabia
without this match being played]

Final
3-12 Iraq 1-0 Kuwait
[Hussein Saeed 82']






Comparison Almanacco/RSSSF
. Scores coincident
. Dates different
. Almanacco edited 11 months after Games
RSSSF page edited in 2009 (27 years after Games)
. In Almanacco: all the Matches are dated
In RSSSF: some dates are missing
.In Almanacco: Groups A/B played in Calcutta; Groups C/D in New Delhi
In RSSSF: all Matches played in New Delhi


So it seems all my dates on RSSSF were correct, and the Almanacco was wrong in dates and venues. Also the Kuwait and Nepal sites are wrong, which suggests they took the data from another wrong source, probably the older version of the RSSSF file (before I corrected it in 2009), or perhaps from Raoul. And where did Raoul's dates come from?



. Almanacco edited 11 months after Games
RSSSF page edited in 2009 (27 years after Games)


Almanacco 11 months = 330 days
RSSSF page based on newspaper reports after 1 day!

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Jan 9 12 10:20 PM

The present page on RSSSF (last updated: 3 April 2009) is incomplete.
Now, thanks to this topic (and, of course, to Neil's Archive) all the dates are available, together with some additional details.
I have no doubts: Matches were played in New Delhi.

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Jan 9 12 10:24 PM

nfm24 wrote:


Semifinals
30-11 Kuwait 3-2 North Korea AET
[Mahboub Jumaa Mubarak 90+' pen, Moayed Al-Haddad 102', Abdulaziz Al-Anbari 104' / Kim Jong-Man 76', Kim Won-Chol 112']
[After the final whistle the North Koreans (including officials and competitors from other sports) attacked the referee Vijit Getkaew.
Earlier that day the N.Koreans had attempted to bribe Vijit and his Malaysian linesman]


Reference?

Chollima Football Fans:
http://calciocorea.splinder.com

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Jan 10 12 9:00 AM

koba wrote:
Reference?


United Press International
December 1, 1982, Wednesday, BC cycle
DATELINE: NEW DELHI, India
The Asian Football Confederation Wednesday recommended that North Korea be suspended from international soccer competition for two years because of an attack on a referee in a losing semifinal match to Kuwait at the Asian Games.
A final decision on the confederation's recommendation would be taken Thursday by J. Havelange, president of the International Football Federation, the Press Trust of India said.
North Korean players, team officials and countrymen sitting in the stands at the Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium stormed the field and attacked Thailand referee G. Vijit when he blew the final whistle Tuesday night in the game won by Kuwait 3-2.
The referee suffered serious head injuries and was hospitalized.
Ri Chang-Son, head of the North Korean delegation, said the team had filed an official protest against the decision. He said unless North Korea, defending co-champion of the Asiad soccer title, was declared the winner, the team would not play Thursday's match to determine the silver and bronze medal winners.


The Times (London) : 1 December 1982

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The Times (London) : 2 December 1982

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Straits Times (Singapore)

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Links: http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Article.aspx?articleid=straitstimes19821203.2.109.4
http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Article.aspx?articleid=straitstimes19821204.2.99.2


Bangkok Post

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Jan 11 12 1:02 AM

I would think the suspension would have been caused by the aggression (in fact, if you read all the reports above, this is what they say). I think the corruption was only reported after the aggression happened. I am not sure if North Korea would have been banned had it been 'only' corruption - they might have just been fined instead.

"The Asian Football Confederation Wednesday recommended that North Korea be suspended from international soccer competition for two years because of an attack on a referee in a losing semifinal match to Kuwait at the Asian Games."

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Jan 11 12 10:19 AM

mcruic wrote:
I would think the suspension would have been caused by the aggression (in fact, if you read all the reports above, this is what they say). I think the corruption was only reported after the aggression happened. I am not sure if North Korea would have been banned had it been 'only' corruption - they might have just been fined instead.

"The Asian Football Confederation Wednesday recommended that North Korea be suspended from international soccer competition for two years because of an attack on a referee in a losing semifinal match to Kuwait at the Asian Games."


Probably corruption has not been demonstrated.

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Jan 11 12 11:46 AM

The 2 years suspension was due to the savage attack on the referee. This was not merely "aggression", this was serious assault!

The attempt to persuade the referee, and linesman, to help North Korea was not investigated further because the punishment for the attack was already enough.

It would be interesting to see what the punishment would have been if there was no attack.

Probably corruption has not been demonstrated.


The report mentions four witnesses (at least) who reported the North Korean attempts : (1) the referee himself (2) the linesman (3) F.Alvarez (head of AFC referee committee) (4) Pisit Ngampanich, AFC representative (appointed vice president after the Games).

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Jan 11 12 12:37 PM

nfm24 wrote:
The 2 years suspension was due to the savage attack on the referee. This was not merely "aggression", this was serious assault!

The attempt to persuade the referee, and linesman, to help North Korea was not investigated further because the punishment for the attack was already enough.

It would be interesting to see what the punishment would have been if there was no attack.

Probably corruption has not been demonstrated.


The report mentions four witnesses (at least) who reported the North Korean attempts : (1) the referee himself (2) the linesman (3) F.Alvarez (head of AFC referee committee) (4) Pisit Ngampanich, AFC representative (appointed vice president after the Games).


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Jan 11 12 12:47 PM

I should add : I am not adding any opinion of my own to this matter, just providing reports from the newspapers.

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