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#61 [url]

Sep 26 12 6:45 AM

I think using the telephone would be better...

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#62 [url]

Nov 19 12 9:32 AM

-> Neil, you are right it is better to call and usually it is. As I was very upset about the message I received I called them immediately. LFL reception was not the most cooperative one I ever called. I will save you the details, but at the end it was told me to address to their press officer who just answered that according to LFL archives Luxembourg NT did not play an international match on 26-10-1960. They did on 02-10-1960 against Belgium B.

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Sometimes it is not clear what team Luxembourg opponents fileded. Here you can read about the match Belgium 4-1 Luxembourg played on 10-05-1934 in Liege. This match is regarded official A by Luxembourg FA but not by Belgian FA. It is very unclear what the status is in Belgium. In some publications I read the Belgians called their team Rode Duivels/Diables Rouges (= Red Devils) which usually was an almost A-national team. Sometimes the Belgian team is labelled as B-national team

Belgian FA informed me this match does not appear in their archives.

-> On 17-01-1967 Luxembourg played against Germany in Aachen. Official for Luxembourg, not official for Germany who also fielded its A-team, or at least nearly its A-team. Line ups are included in this article http://kranten.kb.nl/view/article/id/ddd%3A010538801%3Ampeg21%3Ap005%3Aa0134/layout/fullscreen

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#63 [url]

Dec 3 12 9:02 AM

After the 27-03-1948 Netherlands B played following matches not simultaneously with the A-national team, even not within a week before or after the A-team played. The numbers before the names includes the number of full A-internationals they have played before the match.

Den Haag, 29-09-1965. Netherlands B 3-0 Luxembourg. 35. Aarts 1-0, 55. Aarts 2-0, 61. Keizer 3-0.

Netherlands:
0. Doesburg
1. Quadackers
0. Eijkenbroek
0. De Vries
0. Pijlman
0. Burgers
26. Muller
0. Coenen
9. Prins
4. Keizer
0. Aarts

This match was one of the three matches (the others were on 15-09-1965 against Standard Liege and on 06-10-1965 against Sheffield Wednesday) for Dutch NT to prepare for two World Cup qualifiers against Switzerland. Team against Luxembourg is a mix between A + B in which regular A-international players as Muller, Prins and Keizer were the core of the team.

In this team Keizer played for Netherlands at the 1974 World Cup, Doesburg was member of the 1978 Dutch World Cup squad.

Luxembourg, 17-04-1968. Luxembourg 3–4 Netherlands B. 10. Klein 1-0, 45. Dublin 2-0, 47. Heijerman 2-1, 50. Léonard 3-1, Verdonk 3-2, 58. Strik 3-3, 65. Bosveld 3-4.

Netherlands
0. Thie
1. De Vries
0. Van Stippent (0. Strik)
0. Van der Burgh
0. Mansveld
3. De Zoete
0. Van Egmond
0. Venneker
2. Bosveld
4. Verdonk
0. Heyerman

Substitute Strik was selected for the Dutch 1974 World Cup squad, but did not play at the tournament. Mansveld missed that tournament because of injury. This team was a real B-team.

Eindhoven, 10-03-1970. Netherlands B 3–0 Luxemburg. 31. Klijnjan 1-0, 58. Klijnjan 2-0, 78. Van der Kuijlen 3-0.

Netherlands
0. Schrijvers
0. Schneider
3. Strik
0. Mansveld
0. Mellaard
0. Van Ierssel
0. Boskamp
1. Brouwers
12. Van der Kuijlen
7. Klijnjan
7. Pahlplatz + ( (46.) 0. Bonfrère)

Dutch NT manager Georg Kessler used this match to test some young players, as he also did six weeks before in the A-international against Israel. There were no Ajax and Feyenoord players in the team. Ajax played the next day against Carl Zeiss Jena for the Fairs Cup. Feyenoord was in between the two matches against Vorwärts Berlin for the European Champions Cup.

In this team all players from the starting line up except Mellaard have won full caps for the Netherlands eventually. Schrijvers was member of both 1974 and 1978 Dutch World Cup squads. Strik and Van Ierssel were members of the 1974 Dutch World Cup squad. Schneider and Mansveld missed the 1974 World Cup because of injury. Boskamp was member of the 1978 Dutch World Cup squad. Bonfrère became later coach of the Nigerian team that won the golden medal at the 1996 Olympics.

In the matches Netherlands B played in 1965 (Dennis Neville) and 1970 (Georg Kessler) the team manager was the same as the A-national team manager. Kessler wanted to use this match to test some young players.

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#69 [url]

Feb 14 13 4:25 PM

only the French scorers are mentioned: Gori, Prigent and Baraffe

France missed also a last minute penalty...

the rest of teh article  is about the Luxemburg team

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Apr 24 15 12:22 PM

Match report and team photo of Portuguese B-team of the Portugal B 3-1 Luxembourg match of 10-04-1955. Portugal B fielded following players:

Baptista, Artur, Galaz, Vicente, Wilson, Coluna, Hernâni, Monteiro da Costa, Wilson, José Pedro,Costa Pereira. Before this match only Baptista, Artur and Hernâni have played full A-internationals for Portugal.

Last Edited By: Fast Midfielder Apr 24 15 12:34 PM. Edited 1 time.

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#71 [url]

Apr 24 15 6:09 PM

Also a very interesting match: Luxembourg 0-1 Belgium B played on 01-05-1968. The number before the names corresponds with the number of A-internationals they have played before the kick-off. The ones in bold played the previous week with Belgium against USSR.

  5. Trappeniers
  0. Onclin
  1. Beurlet
  1. Jeck
  5. Thissen
  7. Van Moer
  3. Dockx

  1. Haagdoren
  2. Polleunis
32.Stockman
  0. Van Damme


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#72 [url]

Apr 25 15 8:51 AM

Fast Midfielder wrote:
Match report and team photo of Portuguese B-team of the Portugal B 3-1 Luxembourg match of 10-04-1955. Portugal B fielded following players:

Baptista, Artur, Galaz, Vicente, Wilson, Coluna, Hernâni, Monteiro da Costa, Wilson, José Pedro,Costa Pereira. Before this match only Baptista, Artur and Hernâni have played full A-internationals for Portugal.


Wilson is indicated twice smiley: tongue . Juca (the captain) played instead. He débuted for Portugal "A" in 1952.
The article also adds that Vicente was replaced by Ângelo in the second half. Ângelo is probably Ângelo Martins, who débuted for Portugal "A" in 1953.

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#75 [url]

Apr 25 15 1:42 PM

Here an article in Luxemburger Wort of 07-11-1932 (right column below) which says Luxembourg and Swiss FA were negociating for years to arrange a match between the two countries

There are also this intersting words from Swiss FA president: "Es ist nicht Überhebung daß wir nur unsere B-Team zur Stelle haben. Unsere A-Team ist an die durch unsere Verhältnisse vorgeschrieben Bahnen gebunden, über die wir nicht hinausgeben können." Which can be translated as: "It is no Arrogance we only field our B-team. Our A-Team is bound by the conditions imposed by our tracks that we can not give out."

Unfortunately the article does not tell anything about the conditions. Taking Luxembourg's results against A-teams until 1932 in consideration it seems some teams would risk an embarrashing defeat against Luxembourg, at the time far the smallest European FIFA-member both in surface and population. France started to play its friendlies against Luxembourg with B-teams in 1922 (the results showed the same kind of pattern), Belgium in 1924, Switzerland in 1932 and some other countries after WW2.

29-10-1911 France L 1-4 Luxemburg
20-04-1913 France L 0-8 Saint-Ouen
08-02-1914 France W 5-4 Luxemburg
28-08-1920 Netherlands L 0-3 Vorst
29-05-1924 Italy L 0-2 Parijs
21-05-1927 England L 2-5 Esch-sur-Alzette
27-05-1928 Belgium L 3-5 Amsterdam
28-06-1928 Egypt D 1-1 Esch-sur-Alzette

220px-BEL-LUX_SO1928.JPG

Begium 5-3 Luxembourg at the 1928 Olympics in Amsterdam.


Last Edited By: Fast Midfielder Oct 31 15 12:46 PM. Edited 3 times.

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#76 [url]

Nov 29 15 5:23 PM

cafu wrote:
Does anyone got some details on the french team who played this game :

27.10.1963 Esch/Alzette Luxembourg 3-3 France

Thanks in advance
 
From this Frence site, I have following France B line up:

Charles Marchetti (OGC Nice/Fra, 21 ans, 0 s, 0 b)
Bernard Bosquier (FC Sochaux Montbeliard/Fra, 21 ans, 0 s, 0 b)
Hubert Zénier (SCO Angers/Fra, 27 ans, 0 s, 0 b)
Zygmunt Chlosta (SCO Angers/Fra, 25 ans, 0 s, 0 b)
Maxime Fulgenzy (CS Sedan Ardennes/Fra, 29 ans, 1 s, 0 b)
Yvon Giner (OGC Nice/Fra, 27 ans, 0 s, 0 b)
Edouard Stako (Stade Francais/Fra, 29 ans, 2 s, 1 b)
Jean-François Prigent (Stade Rennais FC/Fra, 19 ans, 0 s, 0 b)
Roland Guillas (FC Rouen/Fra, 27 ans, 9 s, 1 b)
Aimé Gori (FC Girondins de Bordeaux/Fra, 27 ans, 0 s, 0 b)
Edmond Baraffe (Toulouse FC/Fra, 21 ans, 0 s, 0 b)

29 ans, 2 s, 1 b stands for: 29 years, 2 sélections (2 A for France), 1 but (1 goal for France A) at the moment of this match.

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#77 [url]

Nov 15 16 11:51 AM

French newspaper Le Figaro of 06-02-1923 reports of two matches France played the previous day: La Belgique bat La France (Belgium beats France) and La France bat Le Luxembourg (France beats Luxembourg).

(Date correction 26-02-1923)

Last Edited By: nfm24 Nov 17 16 1:08 PM. Edited 1 time.

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#78 [url]

Nov 17 16 10:40 AM

Fast Midfielder wrote:
French newspaper Le Figaro of 06-02-1923 reports of two matches France played the previous day: La Belgique bat La France (Belgium beats France) and La France bat Le Luxembourg (France beats Luxembourg).

Some additional details about France 3-2 Luxembourg:

Goals: [1-0] Sentubéry, [1-1] Massard in the first half. [2-1] Cocheteux, [3-1] Caillet, [3-2] Weber in the second half.

Other players mentioned - for Luxembourg: Valin (goalkeeper), Schmit and Meyer (defenders). For France: Roëls, Batmale, Petit (from Rouen) and Berthelot (goalkeeper).

The article explains France was mainly composed of "players coming from the counties".





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#79 [url]

Nov 17 16 12:48 PM

"joueurs des départements"

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