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Sep 21 12 3:16 PM

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The Bohemia and Moravia (Czechia) NT made a German tour in May 1939. The results:

14-05-1939 against German XI 3-3 in Berlin
http://az.ub.uni-freiburg.de/show/fz.cgi?cmd=showpic&ausgabe=03&day=15c&year=1939&month=05&project=3&anzahl=4
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=dkb&datum=19390515&seite=10&zoom=19

18-05-1939 against German XI 1-1 in Stuttgart
http://az.ub.uni-freiburg.de/show/fz.cgi?cmd=showpic&ausgabe=06&day=19a&year=1939&month=05&project=3&anzahl=8
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=dkb&datum=19390518&seite=11&zoom=44
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=ovz&datum=19390519&seite=7&zoom=44
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=dkb&datum=19390520&seite=14&zoom=33

21-05-1939 against Ostmark (Austria; team also labelled as Vienna XI) 1-7 in Vienna
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=dkb&datum=19390521&seite=22&zoom=44
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=dkb&datum=19390522&seite=10&zoom=44
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=ovz&datum=19390522&seite=4&zoom=44

24-05-1939 against German XI 2-2 in Dortmund
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=dkb&datum=19390525&seite=14&zoom=44
http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=ovz&datum=19390525&seite=11&zoom=44

Unfortunately the reports I could find are in Gothic writing which makes it impossible to read some names. From Czech team that played Ostmark on 21-05-1939 this is the best I can make: ?, Burgr, Daucik, Kostalek, Boucek, ?, Riha, Senecký, Bican, Kopecký, Nejedlý.

Regarding the match played on 21-05-1939 it is remarkable Czech FA does not regard this match as official, but they do regard the return played on 22-10-1939 in Prague (5-5) as official since 2006. At the time both matches were played both counries were already annexed/occupied by Germany.
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Sep 23 12 6:17 PM

Re: Bohemia and Moravia on German tour, May 1939

Fast Midfielder wrote:

Unfortunately the reports I could find are in Gothic writing which makes it impossible to read some names. From Czech team that played Ostmark on 21-05-1939 this is the best I can make: ?, Burgr, Daucik, Kostalek, Boucek, ?, Riha, Senecký, Bican, Kopecký, Nejedlý.


Bokšay, Burgr, Daučík, Košťálek, Bouček, Kolský, Říha, Senecký, Bican, Kopecký, Nejedlý.

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Sep 26 12 5:11 PM

Alexa Bokšay (also Bokshay) was an Ukrainian from Transcarpathia who ended up almost being capped for the Czech NT in a called off 1938 match with Hungary. Interestingly he later stayed in Czechoslovakia and even coached the national team in four matches (or five depending how you look at it).

This is interesting since at the same period Poland had a much larger Ukrainian minority, but no Ukrainian heritage player ever had as much as a brush with the NT. Either they lacked talent or were deliberately discriminated against, but OTOH Germans and Jews were not (at least in the 1920s, in the 1930s both the league and NT became much more Polonocentric).

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Sep 26 12 5:46 PM

silvermane wrote:
Alexa Bokšay (also Bokshay) was an Ukrainian from Transcarpathia who ended up almost being capped for the Czech NT in a called off 1938 match with Hungary. Interestingly he later stayed in Czechoslovakia and even coached the national team in four matches (or five depending how you look at it).

Which match should have been the 5th match Bokšay should have coached Czechoslovakia (depending on how you look at it)?

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Sep 26 12 7:02 PM

silvermane wrote:
This is interesting since at the same period Poland had a much larger Ukrainian minority, but no Ukrainian heritage player ever had as much as a brush with the NT.


Not Ukrainian, but Russian Jerzy (or Yuri) Bułanow played. I heard he even was a captain of Polish NT.

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Sep 26 12 9:08 PM

silvermane wrote:


This is interesting since at the same period Poland had a much larger Ukrainian minority, but no Ukrainian heritage player ever had as much as a brush with the NT. Either they lacked talent or were deliberately discriminated against, but OTOH Germans and Jews were not (at least in the 1920s, in the 1930s both the league and NT became much more Polonocentric).


It shouldn't be exaggerated; Lviv (Lwów) was the football centre in "Polish" Ukraine and in 1930 the Ukrainians were only about 9% of its population. The Polish players dominated clubs in the area and were by that first choice for NT.

www.soccer-db.info

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Sep 26 12 9:50 PM

Perhaps it was a nationalism issue for a young country (in terms of independence). After the war, there obviously were other reasons as well.

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Oct 22 12 1:21 PM

Thanks to TovKirov we have the full line up of the Bohemia and Moravia team that played against Ostmark (aka Vienna XI, aka Austria) on 21-05-1939

Now this is the best I can make of the characteristic of this match: Vienna, 21 May 1939. Ostmark 7–1 Bohemia and Moravia.
5. Hanreiter 1-0, 6. Senecký 1-1, 25. Binder 2-1, ?. Pesser, 3-1, ?. Schors (?) 4-1, 45. Binder 5-1, 60. Reitermayer 6-1, 73. Reitermayer 7-1. Referee(?). Attendance: 23.000 (also reported 25.000).
Ostmark: Platzer; Sesta, Schmaus; Wagner, Hofstädter, Skoumal; Hanreiter, Schors (?), Binder, Safarik (46. Reitermayer), Pesser.
Bohemia and Moravia: Boksay (46. Beket (?)); Burgr, Daucik; Kostalek, Boucek, Kolský; Riha, Senecky, Bican, Kopecký, Nejedlý.

On 22-10-1939 the return was played in Prague (5-5). Only Czech FA regard this return match as official. They did afterwards, because this match appeared on Cech FA list in 2006.

Unfortunately the reports I could find are in Gothic writing which makes it impossible to read some names. Did Schors played for Austria? Was the Czech substitute goalkeeper named Beket? I also could not find when Austrian third and fourth goal were scored.

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Nov 16 12 9:44 PM

Re: Bohemia and Moravia on German tour, May 1939

14-05-1939 against German XI 3-3 in Berlin
http://az.ub.uni-freiburg.de/show/fz.cgi?cmd=showpic&ausgabe=03&day=15c&year=1939&month=05&project=3&anzahl=4

18-05-1939 against German XI 1-1 in Stuttgart
http://az.ub.uni-freiburg.de/show/fz.cgi?cmd=showpic&ausgabe=06&day=19a&year=1939&month=05&project=3&anzahl=8

In Freiburger Zeitung I found the line ups of these two matches. Unfortunately in Gothic writing which is hardly to read (for me). Please can someone decipher this?

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Nov 17 12 8:18 AM

3-3
Bohemia and Moravia: Bokšay; Burgr, Čtyřoký; Košťálek, Bouček, Kolský; Říha, Senecký, Bican, Kopecký, Nejedlý.
Germany: Jakob; Müsch, Streitle; Rohde, Heermann, Männer; Lehner, Gellesch, Schmeißer, Hänel, Urban.

1-1
Bohemia and Moravia: Věchet; Burgr, Čtyřoký; Košťálek, Bouček (Nožíř), Kolský; Horák, Vacek, Bican, Nejedlý, Vytlačil.
Germany: Deyhle; Müsch, Streitle; Kupfer, Jacobs, Kitzinger; Biallas, Hahnemann (Baumann), Conen (Hänel), Gauchel, Arlt.

In my previous post:

Bechet was a second goalkeeper of BM.


This was Vojtěch Věchet from AC Sparta Praha.

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Mar 21 13 11:12 AM

Here a wikipedia site about the Bohemia and Moravia NT in 1939.

It says Bohemia and Moravia (aka Czechia) remained FIFA member after the country became a German protectorate. In the spring of 1940 it became prohbited to travel from or to Bohemia and Moravia, so its NT was not able to play international matches anymore.

Last Edited By: Fast Midfielder Mar 21 13 11:15 AM. Edited 1 time.

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Mar 22 14 3:19 PM

Just found here some very interesting info in German from a Radio Prague website. Somewhere in the article about War Tme football in Czechia one can read: Nur noch wenige wissen, dass der tschechische Fußballverband auch zu jener Zeit immer noch Mitglied der Internationalen Fußball-Föderation (FIFA) war. Aus der FIFA sind wir nämlich zu keinem Zeitpunkt ausgeschieden."

In English: Only a few know Czech FA were still FIFA member at the time. We have never left FIFA.

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