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Jan 1 15 3:57 PM

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In the Coupe de France this weekend, it looks as though Club Franciscain of Martinique have fought their way to the 9th Round and an away game at Ligue 1's Nantes, thanks to the competition allowing clubs from France's overseas territories to compete. The record performance by one of these teams was the last 16 for Geldar Kourou of French Guiana in 1988-89, ironically eliminated by Nantes after 2 legs. Is there anywhere else in the world that does this sort of thing for their domestic cup competitions, even taking a club in from a neighbouring country as a one-season guest?

On a different note, do the FFF pay for the away teams in these ties to take the long-haul flights there and back? Seems like the sort of thing that would multiply the season budget of a French village club, though if these clubs are paid for every season, then where do the FFF get off on saying the Coupe de l'Outre-Mer is too expensive to run smiley: mad?


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Jan 1 15 8:21 PM

This used to happen in Portugal, with teams from the African colonies being invited to the Portuguese Cup until they gained independence in the 1970s. The practice began in 1958 when someone thought it would be a good idea to give the Angolan and Mozambican champions (Ferroviário-Sá da Bandeira and Desportivo-Lourenço Marques) byes to the semi-finals. After Porto and Benfica promptly scored a combined total of 32 goals over two legs African teams began entering the competition at earlier rounds and losing by slightly smaller margins.

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Jan 2 15 1:31 AM

There is a similar thread on this forum about foreign teams entering leagues I think. Those mostly also entered cups.

An early example would be the Currie Cup in South Africa, which had representative sides from Rhodesia involved.

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Dec 14 15 9:51 AM

Because of the low level of the Swiss league in the 1910s, a Swiss Club, Chiasso, affiliated to the Italian league and took part in the early Italian championships. 

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Dec 20 15 3:54 PM

I'm just thinking,espicially in europe due to cultures and peoples tending to spill across borders, there must be lots of examples like a Chiasso, FC Büsingen is the similar one that comes to mind (German playing in Swiss league). Though this does tend to be common with smaller countries, FC Andorra in Spain, San Marino Calcio in Italy, FC Vaduz, Balzers etc from Liechtenstein in Switzerland.

One thing I'm also curious about is foriegn champions of domestic leagues.

Due to the unique tradition of the football structure of the British Isles, there has been a lot of crossover.
For example Derry City of Nothern Ireland switched to the Republic's league in the 1980's and have been champions multiple times. Alton United from Belfast had also won the cup in 1923. Likewise, TNS play their games in England but have been multiple times champions of Wales in recent seasons. Gretna (though in Scotland) played in the English until 2002 then reached the Scottish cup final in 2006. Similarly Queens Park of Glasgow played in the English FA Cup Final. While Cardiff City of Wales won the English FA Cup in 1927.

 Another obvious example is Monaco winning the French title.

Others I could pick out are war time border shifts, so both Rapid Vienna and Austria Vienna won German cups, Nagyváradi Atlétikai Club/CS Oradea of Romania won the Hungarian league in 1944.
Seoul Shukyu-dan of Korea won the Japanese title in 1935. If we take Crimea as now, or becoming Russian, then add Tavrija Simferopol's 1992 Ukrainian league/ 2010 cup titles.  

Lots of blurred lines in world football!

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Dec 21 15 9:48 AM

actua11 wrote:
One thing I'm also curious about is foriegn champions of domestic leagues.

Due to the unique tradition of the football structure of the British Isles, there has been a lot of crossover.
For example Derry City of Nothern Ireland switched to the Republic's league in the 1980's and have been champions multiple times. Alton United from Belfast had also won the cup in 1923. Likewise, TNS play their games in England but have been multiple times champions of Wales in recent seasons. Gretna (though in Scotland) played in the English until 2002 then reached the Scottish cup final in 2006. Similarly Queens Park of Glasgow played in the English FA Cup Final. While Cardiff City of Wales won the English FA Cup in 1927.

 Another obvious example is Monaco winning the French title.

Others I could pick out are war time border shifts, so both Rapid Vienna and Austria Vienna won German cups, Nagyváradi Atlétikai Club/CS Oradea of Romania won the Hungarian league in 1944.
Seoul Shukyu-dan of Korea won the Japanese title in 1935. If we take Crimea as now, or becoming Russian, then add Tavrija Simferopol's 1992 Ukrainian league/ 2010 cup titles.  

Lots of blurred lines in world football!
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Feb 4 16 10:21 AM

Unbelievable! Indonesia Under-19 competed in the 1993/94 Campionato Nazionale Primavera in Italy, that is to say the youth national league.

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Source: Guerin Sportivo issue 1, from 1994.

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Oct 24 16 11:14 AM


Luca wrote:

Unbelievable! Indonesia Under-19 competed in the 1993/94 Campionato Nazionale Primavera in Italy, that is to say the youth national league.

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Source: Guerin Sportivo issue 1, from 1994.
Two Indonesian players even signed for Sampdoria and Iraq and Indonesia played an international in Genoa in 1996 as preparation for the Asian Cup. The association between Indonesia and Sampdoria came about because of the close friendship of Sampdoria manager Sven-Goran Eriksson and Indonesian coach Tord Grip.


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Oct 24 16 9:32 PM

Luca wrote:
I confirm. But they never made their début in Serie A, they only played for the Primavera team, that is to say the youth level.

They signed for Sampdoria, the goalkeeper Kurnia Sandy was part of the first team but never played. Kurniawan Dwi Yulianto (and a third player Bima Sakti) only represented their Primavera side as you said

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