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The IFFHS "Libero" magazine (No. 29) published "50 official World Records of the Full Internationals (1872-1920)".

For a bit of fun, I've put these records below.  Just the top in each category - the magazine gave longer tables for each.

Obviously some of them are wrong or open to debate, but anyhow I just typed them as published.

Caveat: actually not 50 different records since some of them were just analyses of other records, and only up to 1919 since it considered matches from 30.11.1872 to 1.1.1920 only


This forum seems an ideal place to update them by 95 years...


"Most times played against other countries" (most matches between same 2 teams)
Argentina-Uruguay  61

"Longest unbeaten run"
Scotland  7.4.1879-16.3.1888   22 games

"Longest run of matches without a win"
Norway   12.7.1908-15.6.1918   27 games

"Highest attendance"
23.3.1912 Hampden Park, Scotland 1-1 England,  127307

"Lowest attendance"
18.1.1879 Kennington Oval, England 2-1 Wales,  200
(also in 1912 Finland 2-1 Russia and Austria 1-0 Norway given as 200)

"Venues" (most games at one venue)
The Racecourse, Wrexham   37

"Highest wins & matches with highest goals total"
22.10.1908 London, Denmark 17-1 France
1.7.1912 Stockholm, Germany 16-0 Russia

"World Goalgetter of the Year"  (most goals in one year)
1909 Vivian Woodward   England & England Amateurs  25

"Referee" (most games)
Thomas Robertson   Scotland   1896-1908  23 games

"Trainer, coach, manager" (most games)
Hugo Meisl  Austria   1911-19   38 games

"Captains" (most games as captain)
Vivian Woodward   England & England Amateurs  1907-14  42 games

"Most appearances"
Imre Schlosser-Lakatos  Hungary  1906-19   60 games

"Record goal scorers" (most goals)
Vivian Woodward  England & England Amateurs   73 goals  (53 games)

"Highest individual scoring per match"
Sophus Nielsen    22.10.1908 Denmark 17-1 France    10 goals
Gottfried Fuchs  1.7.1912  Germany 16-0 Russia   10 goals

"Quickest goals"
Hjalmar Lorichs   27.6.1912  Sweden 7-1 Finland    11 seconds
(list mentions 10 other goals scored within first minute, with number of seconds unknown)

"Hat-tricks"  (meaning 3 goals *in a row* in this case)
Quickest: Sophus Nielsen 22.10.1908    Denmark   4 minutes
Quickest Quadro-trick (4 in a row): Poul Nielsen 7.10.1917 Denmark  9 minutes
Quickest Penta-trick (5 in a row): Poul Nielsen 7.10.1917 Denmark  11 minutes

"Scored in consecutive matches"
Steve Bloomer  10 games 19 goals  1895-99
Poul Nielsen   10 games 23 goals  1912-16

"Most effective goal scorers" (ratio)
William Charles Jordan   England Amateurs   1 game  6 goals
Best ratio in more than one game:   Harold Walden  3 games 11 goals

"Goal keeping aggregate record without conceding a goal"  (most clean sheets)
Cayetano Saporiti   Uruguay   18 clean sheets out of 53 games

"Record match time without conceding a goal" (unbeaten goalkeeper)
Horace Bailey   England Amateurs  460 minutes  20.10.1908-27.2.1913

"Most effective goalkeeper"
José Buruca Laforia    Argentina     1902-07  4 games  4 clean sheets
(mentions also 24 other keepers with 1 game and 1 clean sheet)

"Own goals"
Samuel Torrans    Ireland   3

"Sent off"
no player with more than one

"Played for different countries" (most games combined)
Robert Evans   Wales 1906-10  10 games,  England 1911-12   4 games,  total 14

"Longest international career"
Billy Meredith   16.3.1895-16.3.1914    19 years 0 days

"Players with most consecutive matches"
Imre Schlosser-Lakatos   Hungary  30.5.1909-26.10.1913   26 games

"Players who remained unbeaten for their countries" (most games)
Arthur Berry  (England & England Amateurs)   23.3.1908-27.2.1913   25 games  (23 wins, 2 draws)
With only wins:  Herbert Smith   (England & England Amateurs)  27.3.1905-6.11.1909   17 games  17 wins

"Players who never finished on the winning team"  (most games)
Ingolf Pedersen   Norway  16.6.1912-7.10.1917    19 games  (6 draws, 13 defeats)

"Clubs who have furnished the international teams with most players"
Nacional (Montevideo)  42 players, 279 caps   (most caps)
Queen's Park (Glasgow)  71 players, 239 caps   (most players)

"Most experienced teams" (I think this means average number of caps of the starting XI)
Uruguay   29.5.1919    20.45

"Oldest teams"
Scotland  23.3.1912    > 29y 307d  

"Youngest teams"
Hungary   11.6.1903    < 19y 260d

"Youngest captains"
John Lambie   Scotland 20.3.1886    17y 92d

"Youngest goalkeepers"
Károly Zsák   Hungary   12.7.1912   < 17y 193d

"Youngest goalscorers"
Nikolay Krotov    Russia   12.7.1914   < 16y 192d  [a mis-identification, should be Aleksandr Krotov who was older]
Jószef Horváth   Hungary   7.10.1906   < 16y 279d
Fernand Nisot    Belgium   10.3.1912     16y 334d

"Youngest debutantes"
Tormod Kjellsen   Norway   11.9.1910   15y 351d
no other player below 16 years

"Oldest debutantes"
Alexander Morten     England    8.3.1873    > 40y 67d
Jan Kok           Netherlands  23.10.1908     39y 96d    [this seems to be wrong]
Thomas Grey  England Amateurs   10.6.1914   > 37y 161d   [he also played in 1912 vs Wales Amateurs but IFFHS don't count that]
(no other older than 35)

"Oldest goal scorers"
Billy Meredith     Wales    17.3.1913     38y 230d
Archibald Goodall  Ireland  28.3.1903   > 37y 209d
(no other older than 35)

"Oldest players"
Alexander Morten    England  8.3.1873    > 40y 67d
Billy Meredith      Wales    16.3.1914     39y 229d
Jan Kok          Netherlands 23.10.1908    39y 96d   [this seems to be wrong]
(no other older than 38)

"Brothers"  (most games)
Carlos Carr Brown   2
Alfredo Brown      10
Eliseo Brown       11
Ernesto Brown      14
Jorge Gibson Brown 24  61 total

"Fathers and sons"
Alexander F. Higgins   Scotland    1  1885
Alexander Higgins     Scotland     4  1910-1911   5 total
(Only one case in 1872-1919)





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Nov 15 15 8:53 PM

Thanks Neil, great find!
Just a couple of comments - I don't have much time at the moment, I'll post more in the next days:

nfm24 wrote:
"Highest attendance"
23.3.1912 Hampden Park, Scotland 1-1 England,  127307

Impressive figure considering the year smiley: eek


nfm24 wrote:
"Trainer, coach, manager" (most games)
Hugo Meisl  Austria   1911-19   38 games
Is there any clue regarding the Scottish coach William Sturrock Maxwell? And, in case, do they give him as coach of Belgium for the year 1920? An ancient IFFHS article states he led Belgium to the Olympic triumph at the 1920 Olympic Games. But I've never been 100% sure about this info, because the actual coach could have been Raoul Dufresne de la Chevalerie.

nfm24 wrote:
"Hat-tricks"  (meaning 3 goals *in a row* in this case)
Quickest: Sophus Nielsen 22.10.1908    Denmark   4 minutes


Cool. I also remember an Egypt-Namibia 8-2 match, from July 13, 2001, where Abdul-Hamid Bassiouny of Egypt scored three goals in 4/5 minutes.


nfm24 wrote:
"Oldest debutantes"
Alexander Morten     England    8.3.1873    > 40y 67d
Jan Kok           Netherlands  23.10.1908     39y 96d    [this seems to be wrong]
Thomas Grey  England Amateurs   10.6.1914   > 37y 161d   [he also played in 1912 vs Wales Amateurs but IFFHS don't count that]
(no other older than 35)

Almost all the sources actually agree that Jan Kok's year of birth is 1889.

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Nov 15 15 9:48 PM

Luca wrote:
Is there any clue regarding the Scottish coach William Sturrock Maxwell? And, in case, do they give him as coach of Belgium for the year 1920?

Only matches up to 1-1-1920 are considered in the above, and Maxwell has 19 games (1910-13) in 6th place in that list.
The IFFHS Belgium book does give Maxwell as coach in 1920, with 18 games before 1920, so something doesn't add up anyway, but this is just a result of them being published several years apart, I suppose.

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Nov 15 15 10:49 PM

After a quick look at my records I can comment on the following

nfm24 wrote:
"Most times played against other countries" (most matches between same 2 teams)
Argentina-Uruguay  61

I've counted 207 Argentina - Uruguay, the next highest figure being 136 Austria - Hungary, though the latter is slightly volatile depending on the status one gives to "Vienna XI - Budapest XI" matches.


nfm24 wrote:
"Longest unbeaten run"
Scotland  7.4.1879-16.3.1888   22 games

Brazil (1993-1996) and Spain (2007-2009), 35 games


nfm24 wrote:
"Longest run of matches without a win"
Norway   12.7.1908-15.6.1918   27 games

Luxembourg (29.03.1995 - 15.11.2006), 83 games


nfm24 wrote:
"Most experienced teams" (I think this means average number of caps of the starting XI)
Uruguay   29.5.1919    20.45 

Just to raise the bar a little bit, Spain's lineup at the 2013 Confederations Cup final averaged 75 caps.

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Nov 16 15 10:40 AM

nfm24 wrote:
Luca wrote:
Is there any clue regarding the Scottish coach William Sturrock Maxwell? And, in case, do they give him as coach of Belgium for the year 1920?
Only matches up to 1-1-1920 are considered in the above, and Maxwell has 19 games (1910-13) in 6th place in that list.
The IFFHS Belgium book does give Maxwell as coach in 1920, with 18 games before 1920, so something doesn't add up anyway, but this is just a result of them being published several years apart, I suppose.
Oh, up to January 1, 1920: you're right, I should have noticed it! Thanks anyway for the additional info. At the 1920 Olympic Games, Belgium had probably a technical commission, with the presence both of William Maxwell and Raoul Daufresne de la Chevalerie.

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Nov 16 15 1:10 PM

Regarding "quadro-trick" (4 goals in a match), I found another term for this last night while lamenting the lack of coverage of a women's Olympic qualifier in Trinidad - "beaver-trick". Apparently Caribbean in origin, it has now made its way into North American press (still not very popular, but entertaining nevertheless!).

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Nov 16 15 6:06 PM

Kaizeler wrote:
nfm24 wrote:
"Most experienced teams" (I think this means average number of caps of the starting XI)
Uruguay   29.5.1919    20.45 

Just to raise the bar a little bit, Spain's lineup at the 2013 Confederations Cup final averaged 75 caps.

I think there may be a Malaysia match circa 1981 which could top that.

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Nov 16 15 8:36 PM

TheRoonBa wrote:
Regarding "quadro-trick" (4 goals in a match), I found another term for this - "beaver-trick".

Perhaps it's inspired by the front teeth of Ronaldo and Ronaldinho, two famous "quadro-trickers"smiley: roll

nfm24 wrote:

"Record match time without conceding a goal" (unbeaten goalkeeper)
Horace Bailey   England Amateurs  460 minutes  20.10.1908-27.2.1913

Good, but not enough to beat the 1142 consecutive minutes from Dino Zoff.


nfm24 wrote:
"Brothers"  (most games)
Carlos Carr Brown   2
Alfredo Brown      10
Eliseo Brown       11
Ernesto Brown      14
Jorge Gibson Brown 24  61 total

Here I'm not sure, but I recall seeing some line-ups of Mali with 6 or 7 Camara; and some line-ups of Guinea with 5 or 6 Sylla, but I doubt they were brothers...
More seriously, the Honduran brothers Jerry, Milton, Wilson and Johnny Palacios own almost 150 international caps overall.

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Nov 16 15 10:10 PM

Luca wrote:
[...]
nfm24 wrote:
"Oldest debutantes"
Alexander Morten     England    8.3.1873    > 40y 67d
Jan Kok           Netherlands  23.10.1908     39y 96d    [this seems to be wrong]
Thomas Grey  England Amateurs   10.6.1914   > 37y 161d   [he also played in 1912 vs Wales Amateurs but IFFHS don't count that]
(no other older than 35)

Almost all the sources actually agree that Jan Kok's year of birth is 1889.

"KNVB Handboek 1964" (handbook of the Dutch FA 1964) also has 1889. So he was 19, not that old for a debutant...

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Nov 17 15 9:26 AM

Luca wrote:
nfm24 wrote:
"Brothers"  (most games)
Carlos Carr Brown   2
Alfredo Brown      10
Eliseo Brown       11
Ernesto Brown      14
Jorge Gibson Brown 24  61 total

Here I'm not sure, but I recall seeing some line-ups of Mali with 6 or 7 Camara; and some line-ups of Guinea with 5 or 6 Sylla, but I doubt they were brothers...
More seriously, the Honduran brothers Jerry, Milton, Wilson and Johnny Palacios own almost 150 international caps overall.

Well, they are some way behind Ibrahim and Hossam Hassan.   I'm not sure if the IFFHS was also considering "most brothers" or just "most caps by brothers"  (and not all caps in the same games, apparently).  Some of their wording was a bit vague.

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Nov 17 15 2:14 PM

nfm24 wrote:
Kaizeler wrote:
nfm24 wrote:
"Most experienced teams" (I think this means average number of caps of the starting XI)
Uruguay   29.5.1919    20.45 

Just to raise the bar a little bit, Spain's lineup at the 2013 Confederations Cup final averaged 75 caps.

I think there may be a Malaysia match circa 1981 which could top that.

I was wondering... Mexico in the early 2000s? They could field Alberto García Aspe, Jorge Campos, Luis Hernández, Claudio Suárez, Pável Pardo and so on... Players who owned about 100 caps each at that time.


nfm24 wrote:

Luca wrote:
nfm24 wrote:
"Brothers"  (most games)
Carlos Carr Brown   2
Alfredo Brown      10
Eliseo Brown       11
Ernesto Brown      14
Jorge Gibson Brown 24  61 total

Here I'm not sure, but I recall seeing some line-ups of Mali with 6 or 7 Camara; and some line-ups of Guinea with 5 or 6 Sylla, but I doubt they were brothers...
More seriously, the Honduran brothers Jerry, Milton, Wilson and Johnny Palacios own almost 150 international caps overall.

Well, they are some way behind Ibrahim and Hossam Hassan.   I'm not sure if the IFFHS was also considering "most brothers" or just "most caps by brothers"  (and not all caps in the same games, apparently).  Some of their wording was a bit vague.

Some more candidates: Ronald and Frank de Boer for the Netherlands (179 caps overall); Gary and Phil Neville for England (144 caps overall); Raí and Sócrates for Brazil (114 caps overall); Willy and René van de Kerkhof for the Netherlands (110 caps).
I also recall reading about a famous generation from the United Arab Emirates at the 1990 World Cup. If I'm not wrong there were two or more brothers called Al-Talyani, who were very famous over there, owning a lot of intenational appearances, but I have not checked.

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Nov 17 15 7:43 PM

Some other cases (by no means complete):
Hossam and Ibrahim Hassan (Egypt) 176+128 (or thereabouts) = 304
Yaya and Kolo Touré (Ivory Coast) 100+119 = 219
Michael & Brian Laudrup (Denmark) 104+82 = 186
Martin and Michael Stocklasa (Liechtenstein) 113+71 = 184
Thomas & Andreas Ravelli (Sweden) 143+41 = 184
Patrik & Daniel Andersson (Sweden) 96+74 = 170
Niko and Robert Kovac (Croatia) 83+84 = 167
Namat & Shaharuddin Abdullah (Malaysia) ~100 + ~60 = ~160
Chris and Felix Katongo (Zambia) 95+62 = 157
Vasiliy and Aleksey Berezutskiy (Russia) 90+51 = 141
Bobby and Jack Charlton (England) 106+35 = 141
Phil and James Younghusband (Philippines) 76+63=139
Hakan & Murat Yakin (Switzerland) 87+49 = 136
Tore Andre and Jostein Flo (Norway) 76+53 = 129
Salomon & Bonaventure Kalou (Ivory Coast) 81+47 = 128
Michal and Marcin Zewlakow (Poland) 102+25 = 127
Aurelio and Tony Vidmar (Australia) 44+76 = 120
Hamit & Halil AltIntop (Turkey) 82+38 = 120
Aleksandr and Vyacheslav Hleb (Belarus) 69+45 = 114

If Gibraltar had been allowed in UEFA earlier, maybe also Chipolinas and Casciaros

Some other possible cases with ambiguous figures:
Vassallo (Ethiopia)
Allawi (Iraq)
Biyik (Cameroon)
Bwalya (Zambia)
Ayew (Ghana)
Quah (Singapore)
Chaikitti (Thailand)

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Nov 18 15 1:16 AM

nfm24 wrote:
"World Goalgetter of the Year"  (most goals in one year)
1909 Vivian Woodward   England & England Amateurs  25
Can anyone top this?  I was trying to think of minnow-bashing poachers.
1954 Sandor Kocsis   Hungary   23
1996 Ali Daei    Iran  22
2000 Bashar Abdullah   Kuwait  21

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Nov 18 15 10:43 AM

nfm24 wrote:
Some other cases (by no means complete):
Hossam and Ibrahim Hassan (Egypt) 176+128 (or thereabouts) = 304
Yaya and Kolo Touré (Ivory Coast) 100+119 = 219
Michael & Brian Laudrup (Denmark) 104+82 = 186
Martin and Michael Stocklasa (Liechtenstein) 113+71 = 184
Thomas & Andreas Ravelli (Sweden) 143+41 = 184
Patrik & Daniel Andersson (Sweden) 96+74 = 170
Niko and Robert Kovac (Croatia) 83+84 = 167
Namat & Shaharuddin Abdullah (Malaysia) ~100 + ~60 = ~160
Chris and Felix Katongo (Zambia) 95+62 = 157
Vasiliy and Aleksey Berezutskiy (Russia) 90+51 = 141
Bobby and Jack Charlton (England) 106+35 = 141
Phil and James Younghusband (Philippines) 76+63=139
Hakan & Murat Yakin (Switzerland) 87+49 = 136
Tore Andre and Jostein Flo (Norway) 76+53 = 129
Salomon & Bonaventure Kalou (Ivory Coast) 81+47 = 128
Michal and Marcin Zewlakow (Poland) 102+25 = 127
Aurelio and Tony Vidmar (Australia) 44+76 = 120
Hamit & Halil AltIntop (Turkey) 82+38 = 120
Aleksandr and Vyacheslav Hleb (Belarus) 69+45 = 114

If Gibraltar had been allowed in UEFA earlier, maybe also Chipolinas and Casciaros

Some other possible cases with ambiguous figures:
Vassallo (Ethiopia)
Allawi (Iraq)
Biyik (Cameroon)
Bwalya (Zambia)
Ayew (Ghana)
Quah (Singapore)
Chaikitti (Thailand)
Impressive work, Neil sHa_clap2.gif

Now let's go with three or more brothers sHa_biggrin.gif

Honduras have Jerry, Milton, Wilson and Johnny Palacios, who own almost 150 international caps overall.
Tahiti field Lorenzo, Alvin and Jonathan Tehau (about 50 appearances for them).

nfm24 wrote:
nfm24 wrote:
"World Goalgetter of the Year"  (most goals in one year)
1909 Vivian Woodward   England & England Amateurs  25
Can anyone top this?  I was trying to think of minnow-bashing poachers.
1954 Sandor Kocsis   Hungary   23
1996 Ali Daei    Iran  22
2000 Bashar Abdullah   Kuwait  21

Here I run aground with Archie Thompson: 16 goals in 2001.

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Dec 5 15 12:02 AM

nfm24 wrote:
Some other cases (by no means complete):
Hossam and Ibrahim Hassan (Egypt) 176+128 (or thereabouts) = 304
Yaya and Kolo Touré (Ivory Coast) 100+119 = 219
Michael & Brian Laudrup (Denmark) 104+82 = 186
Martin and Michael Stocklasa (Liechtenstein) 113+71 = 184
Thomas & Andreas Ravelli (Sweden) 143+41 = 184
Patrik & Daniel Andersson (Sweden) 96+74 = 170
Niko and Robert Kovac (Croatia) 83+84 = 167
Namat & Shaharuddin Abdullah (Malaysia) ~100 + ~60 = ~160
Chris and Felix Katongo (Zambia) 95+62 = 157
Vasiliy and Aleksey Berezutskiy (Russia) 90+51 = 141
Bobby and Jack Charlton (England) 106+35 = 141
Phil and James Younghusband (Philippines) 76+63=139
Hakan & Murat Yakin (Switzerland) 87+49 = 136
Tore Andre and Jostein Flo (Norway) 76+53 = 129
Salomon & Bonaventure Kalou (Ivory Coast) 81+47 = 128
Michal and Marcin Zewlakow (Poland) 102+25 = 127
Aurelio and Tony Vidmar (Australia) 44+76 = 120
Hamit & Halil AltIntop (Turkey) 82+38 = 120
Aleksandr and Vyacheslav Hleb (Belarus) 69+45 = 114

If Gibraltar had been allowed in UEFA earlier, maybe also Chipolinas and Casciaros

Some other possible cases with ambiguous figures:
Vassallo (Ethiopia)
Allawi (Iraq)
Biyik (Cameroon)
Bwalya (Zambia)
Ayew (Ghana)
Quah (Singapore)
Chaikitti (Thailand)
Karim & Khalil Allawi (Iraq) 89 + 62 = 151

Still working on getting a complete list of their matches but this is what I have at the moment.

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Jan 30 16 11:50 PM

nfm24 wrote:
nfm24 wrote:
"World Goalgetter of the Year"  (most goals in one year)
1909 Vivian Woodward   England & England Amateurs  25
Can anyone top this?  I was trying to think of minnow-bashing poachers.
1954 Sandor Kocsis   Hungary   23
1996 Ali Daei    Iran  22
2000 Bashar Abdullah   Kuwait  21


Majeed Abdullah scored 23 goals for Saudi Arabia in 1984.
Other contenders would be Malaysia in general (I've counted 67 goals in 1971) and the gentleman in your avatar in particular.

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Jan 31 16 10:01 AM

Another interesting hint comes from the following interview, where Luciano Vassallo, a famous Ethiopian striker, claims to have scored 90 goals in 104 matches for his country. Unfortunately, the lack of detailed information doesn't allow to verify.

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Jan 31 16 11:16 AM

Verification is the point. I remember around 1980 there would have been many Korean players around 25 years who have played 150+ international matches. After verification it appeared most of these "international" matches were against clubteams, even domestic ones, or Korean represantative youth teams. After verification it turned out these players have played ~30 A-inernationals.

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Jan 31 16 8:53 PM

Luca wrote:
Another interesting hint comes from the following interview, where Luciano Vassallo, a famous Ethiopian striker, claims to have scored 90 goals in 104 matches for his country. Unfortunately, the lack of detailed information doesn't allow to verify.

The Tessema website I mentioned on another post gives the following

Luciano Vassalo        104 games      47 goals      1959-71  
Italo Vassalo             53 games      21 goals      1960-70
Mengistu Worku         98 games      61 goals      1959-71

As far as I know, this appears to be genuine data but including tour matches vs clubs.





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Jan 31 16 9:21 PM

Kaizeler wrote:
Other contenders would be Malaysia in general (I've counted 67 goals in 1971) and the gentleman in your avatar in particular.

I get 84 goals for 1971 (not including games vs clubs).   The top scorers that year were Shaharuddin (14) and Wong Choon Wah (12) with a fairly even spread among other players.

Supermokh debuted in 1972, but neither him (nor Shaharuddin nor Isa Bakar, the great poachers of the era) managed 20 goals in a single calendar year I think.   In consecutive years 1972-81, Mokhtar scored 6, 15, 14, 9, 16, 11, 5, 9, 4, 4. 



In general I am better at accumulating information on such things than I am at distilling it for publication or comparisons of this form.  Perhaps I should advertise for a secretary.

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