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Jan 17 16 3:55 PM

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The draw was made last night. There's a complete new format this time around, in 2014 it ran from May 2014 to November 2014 (6 months). This new version runs from March 2016 to May 2017 (14 months). 

The first round, third round, and the fifth-place playoff  will take place on FIFA match calendar dates while the second round, semi-finals, final and third-place playoff will not. It seems poorly organised. They also decided to rank teams group winners, runner-ups separately after each round to determine their place in the following round which complicates things further.

Twenty six teams are taking part.

Qualifying (March-November)
  • First round 21–29 March 2016
  • Second round 15–21 May 2016
  • Third round 3–11 October 2016
  • Fifth place playoff 7–15 November 2016

Final tournament (18-24 May 2017):
  • Semi-finals
  • Third-place playoff
  • Final

It's a shame really, it could be a nice little tournament if treated correctly.

Last Edited By: Blue Lou Jan 17 16 4:33 PM. Edited 1 time

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Jan 17 16 4:00 PM

I suppose there is an argument to say that it could be counter-productive for smaller countries to play matches on FIFA calendar dates, because they may go under the radar, and TV rights or ticket sales may suffer due to an overflow of European / South American matches on TV.

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Jan 17 16 9:12 PM

DRAW

http://www.cfufootball.org/index.php/caribbean-cup/9769-2016-scotia-bank-cfu-caribbean-cup-groupings


Note: All group matches will end in a result (Extra time and penalties if necessary) to avoid any issues about tiebreakers during this stage. No news on whether wins after extra time and penalties will also be worth 3 points. It is also not clear whether this applies only to Round 2 (it is mentioned after the Round 2 groupings and also the "5th place playoff group" in the official release). Also, the release says that teams will be ordered from Round 1 based on points (but then the 2nd round groupings contain things like "7th best runner-up". If the 1st round is based on points, it's possible that a 3rd placed team in one group (with 2 draws) could finish with more points than a 2nd-placed team in another group (with 1 draw and 1 defeat). Even if extra time and penalties decide these matches, it's still possible that a 3rd placed team in one group could finish with a better record than a 2nd placed team in another group.

On a less complex note - nice to see the long-awaited return of Sint Maarten.

Some other issues:
In the 2nd round groups:
Saint Vincent & the Grenadines enter here
1st best, 2nd best, 3rd best, 4th best, 5th best, 6th best, 7th best Group Runners-up from Round 1
1st best, 2nd best, 3rd best, 4th best, 5th best Group Winners from Round 1 - "6th best Group Winner from Round 1" and "7th best Group Winner from Round 1" are missing. Instead there are "Best remaining team from Round 1" and "2nd best remaining team from Round 1". Can't work this out...


In the 3rd round groups:
Jamaica, Haiti and Trinidad & Tobago enter here
1st best, 2nd best, 3rd best, 4th best Group Runners-up from Round 2
1st best, 2nd best, 3rd best, 4th best Group Winners from Round 2
"Best ranked team from Round 2" - Not sure what this is supposed to be. 5th best Group Winners are missing (there are 5 groups in Round 2).

This link doesn't help clarify: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Caribbean_Cup_qualification


It suggests that the Top 4 group winners and top 4 runners-up advance, along with the best 3rd-placed team.  This suggests that the 5th best Group Winner does not advance.  This is clearly wrong.  How can a 3rd-placed team qualify and a group winner be eliminated?  Nonsense.

In the "5th place play-off"
The 3 best 3rd placed finishers in Round 3 (why is this called the "5th" place play-off? These teams would be placed 9th, 10th and 11th in Round 3 qualifying. It should clearly be "best 2nd placed finishers". The Winners of each group (4 teams) will qualify for the final tournament. The 5th, 6th and 7th placed teams will play-off for a spot in the CFU-UNCAF play-off for entry into the CONCACAF Gold Cup.

There are only 25 teams in qualifying, even though the release says 26 teams will take part. Missing teams are Bahamas, Bonaire, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Saint Lucia, Turks & Caicos Islands.

Finals in May 2017 (not been decided where yet)

All in all, a confusing press release. Maybe I'm nit-picking, but these types of things don't help.

Last Edited By: TheRoonBa Jan 17 16 9:16 PM. Edited 1 time.

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Jan 17 16 10:00 PM

TheRoonBa wrote:
http://www.cfufootball.org/index.php/caribbean-cup/9769-2016-scotia-bank-cfu-caribbean-cup-groupings
Note: All group matches will end in a result (Extra time and penalties if necessary) to avoid any issues about tiebreakers during this stage.
Huh?

Suppose Group 1 results are:
Antigua & Barbuda 1-0 St Kitts & Nevis
St Kitts & Nevis 1-0 Aruba
Aruba 1-0 Antigua & Barbuda

Antigua & Barbuda  2  1 0 1 1-1  3
Aruba 2  1 0 1 1-1  3
St Kitts & Nevis 2  1 0 1 1-1  3


This whole draw seems to have been arranged by people who have no experience of running football tournaments at any level.

BRING BACK JACK

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Jan 17 16 10:21 PM

nfm24 wrote:
TheRoonBa wrote:
http://www.cfufootball.org/index.php/caribbean-cup/9769-2016-scotia-bank-cfu-caribbean-cup-groupings
Note: All group matches will end in a result (Extra time and penalties if necessary) to avoid any issues about tiebreakers during this stage.
Huh?

Suppose Group 1 results are:
Antigua & Barbuda 1-0 St Kitts & Nevis
St Kitts & Nevis 1-0 Aruba
Aruba 1-0 Antigua & Barbuda

Antigua & Barbuda  2  1 0 1 1-1  3
Aruba 2  1 0 1 1-1  3
St Kitts & Nevis 2  1 0 1 1-1  3


This whole draw seems to have been arranged by people who have no experience of running football tournaments at any level.

BRING BACK JACK
And suppose in that scenario Aruba vs Antigua & Barbuda is scoreless after 90 mins. and only 1-0 after extra time, the rule would introduce tiebreaker issues instead of preventing them...

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Jan 18 16 7:50 AM

St. Maarten will be represented by Flames Football Club who are the reigning champions from the 2014/2015 Senior league competitions and the Champions of the 2012/2013 Excellence division between the island of Sint Maarten, Saint Martin and St. Barths.
   “Our team is ready to compete for the first time in the CFU Men’s Club Championship and we are confident that St. Maarten will showcase the many talents we have” said  Flames United President Dwayne Wright. 


CFU Men’s Club Championship? I can't find them in that tournament (http://www.cfufootball.org/index.php/cfu-club-championship/9766-cfu-club-championship-groups-schedule-unveiled).
BTW, correct name seems to be "Flames United Sports Club" (https://www.facebook.com/Flames-United-Sports-Club-545152762189422/)

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Jan 18 16 8:41 PM

I am blocked from CFU's social media accounts (Facebook and Twitter) due to criticising them previously for making mistakes/not announcing information. Some people hide behind excuses all their lives, unfortunately, and can't handle criticism. Unfortunately, people pay them decent money to be morons.

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Jan 19 16 7:23 PM

TheRoonBa wrote:
Some people hide behind excuses all their lives, unfortunately, and can't handle criticism.
If it was the CFU, they didn't call you a "comedian fool" by any chance did they? Because that culture would have come from the top:



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Jan 27 16 2:03 AM

It seems the First Round groups will be played with 1 home match and 1 away match per team rather than at a central location. Again, no news from CFU about this.

This from Martinique:

Le calendrier du groupe 7 est le suivant, la sélection seniors masculine les Matinino affrontera :
- Le 23 Mars 2016 : Martinique / Dominique (en Martinique)
- Le 29 Mars 2016 : Iles Vierges Britanniques /Martinique (aux Îles VB)

This suggests (if true) 26 March 2016 will be Dominica v BVI (in Dominica)



Also, from French Guiana:

 Mardi 22 mars 2016 à Cuba : CUBA- LES BERMUDES
 Samedi 26 mars 2016 à Bermudes : LES BERMUDES- GUYANE     
 Mardi 29 mars 2016 en Guyane : GUYANE- CUBA


From Saint Kitts & Nevis:

Group 1 includes Antigua and Barbuda, Aruba and St. Kitts & Nevis. Matches of the group phase will be played March 22, 26 and 29.

On day 1, Antigua & Barbuda plays Aruba in Antigua. On day 2, St. Kitts & Nevis meet Aruba in Aruba, and on day 3, Antigua & Barbuda clash with St. Kitts & Nevis in St. Kitts.

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Jan 27 16 2:53 AM

PS - Finals are in USA, 18-24 May 2017. I think this is a good idea to bring out the Caribbean diaspora in the US, but a shame that fans in the home countries will not get to see the matches live. Probably, the pitches in the US will be in better condition.

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Jan 27 16 4:01 PM

TheRoonBa wrote:
It seems the First Round groups will be played with 1 home match and 1 away match per team rather than at a central location. Again, no news from CFU about this.


Presumably this is in order to bankrupt the members, in order to remind them how great the Jack Warner era was.

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Jan 27 16 7:51 PM

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PS - Finals are in USA, 18-24 May 2017.
Noticed this detail before, bi$$are how most of the officials being investigated in the FIFA case are from North or South America, yet the next editions for all the senior men's tournaments on both continents are being hosted right under the noses of the country doing the investigating. Presuming of course that moving the Copa Centroamericana wasn't a one-time thing...

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Feb 4 16 10:46 AM

I'm thinking that there's a chance that British Virgin Islands will field ineligible players in the future. They've called up four players from the same American university, three of whom are from England.
While not impossible, it seems unlikely to me that all are eligible.

http://bvinews.com/new/four-overseas-based-footballers-to-clash-for-bvi/

Lewis Jones - From Liverpool
James Quinn - From Slough
Josh Fines - From Farnborough
Troy Ceasar - Road Town, BVI

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Feb 4 16 1:26 PM

Perhaps the CFU rules are different from FIFA rules and they'll get away with it. One of the opponents is Martinique, so there might not be too much scrutiny about eligibility anyhow. Unless BVI suddenly become good.

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Mar 10 16 8:20 AM

Saint-Martin are rumoured to have withdrawn.

Group 6 will become two games hosted by and featuring Suriname, versus Guadeloupe. 23 and 29 March.

Presumably this also changes who can qualify for the second round, otherwise both will go through regardless of results.

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