nfm24 wrote:You're kidding right? That would carry the biggest possible fine and/or being kicked out of the World Cup, racism and willfuly defying pre-determined rules are one thing but that's just a step too far...
And given that the English/Scottish FAs knew they would be fined anyway, they should have taken the opportunity to put sponsors' logos all over the pitch to recoup any losses. In for a penny...
On the homophobic chanting subject, it's difficult to know what the Chilean FA is expected to do to address homophobia in a whole country (or continent), even if they successfully made the stadium homophobia-free, somehow. I wonder how FIFA intends to fine its member countries in which homosexuality is illegal.
In all seriousness though, if that pitch sponsor thing happened I could see FIFA turning the tables and fining The FA to the tune of CHF(amount of revenue generated)+1, like a tennis match of pettiness.
For the homophobic chanting, I agree that it's difficult to associate a nation's FA with a nation's general attitude, but a fine of some kind is nessecary to hopefully be a deterrent that influences positive change in that country's society. There's even been a number of British commenters online regarding the poppy case claiming that FIFA don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to 'political messages' because they have those official campaigns for anti-racism and peace... should say a lot about some people really
All in all this mess has just played out pretty close to my earlier assumptions, FIFA have been a little ridiculous in going back on their judgement of 2011 (and for including 'fans wearing poppies' in their charge list against Wales), but the Home Nations have been more ridiculous, England and Scotland wearing the poppy armbands wasn't harming anyone in that stadium but the rule is there to prevent a more flammable situation from appearing in future, and instead went with a level of blind defiance that would be scary if it was over a more important issue
. Wales and Northern Ireland obeyed the rules to a point, but still went with an all-out military-based pre-match show that displayed the symbol more than enough to make up for a lack of it on biceps.
I'm just kind of lost with how knee-jerk this whole thing was, I was under the impression the Remembrance Day is supposed to be a more quiet reflective affair, the minute's silence and black armbands should make that point, possibly a wreath and The Last March
as well. Instead you get all that, plus kit poppies, plus poppy tifos and tacky 3D screensavers on the big screen
. Just becomes an excercise in who can be the best at remembering, but the more they do it the worse they seem to get. Also Cookie Monster.
For fining England more than Chile, I can understand to a point based on what happened there - even if they don't do enough to combat homophobia (genuinely don't know), I doubt the Chilean FA were directly responsible for fans in the stadium chanting, and I doubt even more that it was some kind of pre-planned defiant act, letting the debate with FIFA become a major talking point for powerful people looking to score some cheap popularity points.
Of course the homophobic chants are the worse crime on paper (for those 'gay is illegal' countries they seem to have a stance of it not being their business unless something happens in the stadium), but maybe it's because of that reason, with the poppies kicking up such a massive artificial outrage, that it feels like money wasted on the part of the Home Nations (more than it already was, anyway). That was moronic individuals in a position of power knowingly breaking the rules (and as a bonus letting a misinformed anti-FIFA frenzy bubble up in the process) rather than moronic individuals in a large crowd that the FA have limited control over. Chile just have to pay whatever fines come their way and do what they can to help tackle the root of the problem...