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Nov 14 10 3:30 PM

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Zanzibar. Zanzibar will soon become a full member of the Federation of International Football Associations (FIFA), the Isles newly elected president, Ali Mohamed Shein, revealed yesterday.

Addressing Members of the House of Representatives at Mbweni here, Shein said Fifa has confirmed Zanzibar’s membership to the Isles delegate to the federation’s headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland recently.

While in Geneva, the delegate asked the world soccer body to include Zanzibar in the list of its members.

In implemented, Fifa’s decision will mark the end the Isles’ five-year struggle for the membership.

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The delegation that also included Mainland’s deputy minister for information, culture ad sports, Joel Bendera travelled to Zurich where they faced FIFA president, Sepp Blatter.

Blatter did not promise to award Zanzibar FIFA membership but simply said he would work out on it.

“Went to seek FIFA membership and from Blatter’s response we remain hopeful but there is no confirmation so far”, said Shamhuna.

http://www.thecitizen.co.tz/sport/16-football/5441-isles-poised-to-win-fifa-membership


One story to watch then I think. FIFA do have an Exec Co meeting in just over 2 weeks (The last one of the year) so something might come from it.

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Nov 14 10 8:09 PM

jonny wrote:
... Shein said Fifa has confirmed Zanzibar’s membership ...

jonny wrote:
...there is no confirmation so far”, said Shamhuna.


Hmmm.....

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Nov 14 10 10:48 PM

nfm24 wrote:
jonny wrote:
... Shein said Fifa has confirmed Zanzibar’s membership ...

jonny wrote:
...there is no confirmation so far”, said Shamhuna.


Hmmm.....


Hmmm²

Letting in Zanzibar would mean having to let in Réunion.

Besides, Zanzibar would have to first become full members of CAF - they are associate members at present along with Réunion. Guadeloupe is also currently working with the FFF to allow them to get full CONCACAF membership (the 5 non-FIFA members are associate CONCACAF members). Membership of the continental confederation is necessary first before FIFA membership can follow.

UEFA actually has stricter rules than FIFA on membership. The continental rules actually take precedence, as a result of FIFA's insistence on being a membership of a continental body first. The main reason Gibraltar and Greenland are not members of FIFA is UEFA's strict admission rules. If UEFA changed their rules and let them in, FIFA would have to accept them based on their current regulations.

Zanzibar tried to apply for FIFA membership before in 2005. They were only associate CAF members at that time, and this is why FIFA rejected them. They considered them to be affiliates of the Tanzanian FA. The situation has not changed with respect to the Zanzibar FA being part of the Tanzania FA or with respect to Zanzibar's CAF membership. So FIFA cannot decide to let them in until something else happens first.

This story just seems to be another example of an African getting his 2 minutes of fame in the media, acting the big man, and shooting his mouth off with complete bullshit to make it seem like he is in charge and is to be respected.

However, underneath the bullshit, his intentions are admirable.

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Nov 15 10 6:48 PM

mcruic wrote:
nfm24 wrote:
jonny wrote:
... Shein said Fifa has confirmed Zanzibar’s membership ...

jonny wrote:
...there is no confirmation so far”, said Shamhuna.


Hmmm.....


Hmmm²

Letting in Zanzibar would mean having to let in Réunion.

Besides, Zanzibar would have to first become full members of CAF - they are associate members at present along with Réunion. Guadeloupe is also currently working with the FFF to allow them to get full CONCACAF membership (the 5 non-FIFA members are associate CONCACAF members). Membership of the continental confederation is necessary first before FIFA membership can follow.

UEFA actually has stricter rules than FIFA on membership. The continental rules actually take precedence, as a result of FIFA's insistence on being a membership of a continental body first. The main reason Gibraltar and Greenland are not members of FIFA is UEFA's strict admission rules. If UEFA changed their rules and let them in, FIFA would have to accept them based on their current regulations.

Zanzibar tried to apply for FIFA membership before in 2005. They were only associate CAF members at that time, and this is why FIFA rejected them. They considered them to be affiliates of the Tanzanian FA. The situation has not changed with respect to the Zanzibar FA being part of the Tanzania FA or with respect to Zanzibar's CAF membership. So FIFA cannot decide to let them in until something else happens first.

This story just seems to be another example of an African getting his 2 minutes of fame in the media, acting the big man, and shooting his mouth off with complete bullshit to make it seem like he is in charge and is to be respected.

However, underneath the bullshit, his intentions are admirable.


Whilst I agree with what you are saying Mark, please note that FIFA's rules do not say that an Association has to be a Full voting member of a confederation they do say the they have to have been a provisional member for 2 years, it does not say anything about associate membership although that this may be covered under provisional membership as the confederations & FIFA's Associations Committee do have a say as well as the Executive Committee.

However FIFA's Congress have the final say as the applicant has to be put before a congress to be accepted.

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Nov 16 10 1:36 AM

On further investigation - CAF regulations (2007 - latest I could find) state that a country must be a FIFA member BEFORE applying for CAF membership, but also that CAF will only accept one national association per country.

http://www.cafonline.com/userfiles/file/CAF_statutes_english.pdf

ARTICLE 4
ADMISSION

1. The Confédération Africaine de Football is open to all African national football associations which are Members of FIFA and recognised by it as being the official bodies controlling football in their respective countries.
2. The General Assembly shall decide whether or not to admit, suspend or expel a member.
3. The Executive Committee may grant temporary membership, although this must be approved by the next General Assembly.
4. CAF shall only recognise one national association per country.

FIFA's rules and CAF's rules contradict each other:

FIFA says it needs a country to have had provisional membership (or full membership, presumably) of a confederation for 2 years before it applies, CAF says it needs a country to be a FIFA member before it applies.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/01/29/85/71/fifastatuten2010_e.pdf (FIFA statutes here for reference, August 2010)

Impossible situation. Zanzibar (or any other association, for that matter) can't become a FIFA member without first being a provisional member of CAF. CAF won't let it apply for membership (and therefore, provisional membership) until it becomes a FIFA member.

Bottom line is - Zanzibar cannot become a member of CAF. Zanzibar cannot become a member of FIFA. Not under the current regulations.

However - Comoros became a CAF member in 2004, and then a FIFA member in 2005 - how did they get in? Have the CAF statutes been changed since then? Comoros was the last independent country to get membership of CAF, so perhaps they just wanted to close any loopholes that would let non-independent countries in.

On 6th February 2003 - Comoros became an associate member of CAF.
On 26th October 2003 - CAF's Executive Committee approved the temporary membership of the Comoros FA.
http://www.africafoot.com/news/annee2003/octobre2003/301003.html

This would have to have been approved at the next General Assembly (according to their own rules, see no.3. above) - which was in Tunis on 22nd January 2004.

On 22nd January 2004 - Comoros became a member of CAF - as did Zanzibar (full member). Comoros applied for FIFA membership at the FIFA congress in May 2004 - but was told it had to wait until the next congress.

In March 2005, Zanzibar's application for FIFA membership is turned down:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/4330361.stm
"...at the end of a two-day executive committee meeting in Zurich, Fifa said it would continue to regard Zanzibar as an affiliate of Tanzania.
The world body said Zanzibar is "not an independent state recognised by the international community at present, nor is it likely to be in the foreseeable future."


Zanzibar re-established ties with the Tanzanian Football Federation (from which they had broken away from in order to apply for FIFA membership) after their failure to secure membership of FIFA. Presumably, CAF then revoked Zanzibar's full membership (it doesn't allow 2 associations in 1 country) and made it an associate member.

On 12th September 2005 - Comoros became a FIFA member.
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/news/newsid=100100.html

The problem is - the current rules as set out above don't allow ANYONE to join. For example, what if South Sudan gets independence in the January 2011 referendum - how can they join CAF?

Additional info:

Agence France Presse

March 13, 2003
Zanzibar set to become CECAFA member


Tanzania's offshore state of Zanzibar is to be admitted into the Council of East and Central Africa Football Associations (CECAFA) when the body meets in Nairobi on Friday [14 March], secretary Nicholas Musonye said Thursday.

The decision by 11 member federations of CECAFA means Zanzibar would break away from the control of mainland Tanzania for the first time in 39 years.

Semi-autonomous Zanzibar will thus earn the right to be recognised as a full member of the Confederation of African Football (CAF) and FIFA.

Yet earlier reports describe Zanzibar as already being a CECAFA member.
Zanzibar first started appearing in CAF club competitions in 2005, Réunion in 1994.

Interestingly, Zanzibar is not listed as a member on CAF's site - but Réunion IS listed.

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May 3 13 3:57 PM

I was listening to an episode of the BBC World Football Phone-In podcast today, and some of you might be interested to hear that Zanzibarian football was a discussion point, a rare case of a Non-FIFA member being mentioned.

Unfortunately it wasn't exactly a positive mention, with the African football expert on the show from South Africa giving a basic overview of the situation (and the club teams in continental competition), but stating that the CECAFA Cup was the 'only occasion' in which the national team were a separate entitiy from Tanzania (their activities in the VIVA World Cup were later mentioned by the host's assistant). The 'expert' also outright stated that the oddity of Zanzibar playing shouldn't be happening, as they are officially part of Tanzania (and should follow a '1 team per nation' rule at all times), while there was no mention of their 3rd Place in the 2012 CECAFA Cup, which ironically came after they defeated Tanzania (http://footy-fever.com/blog/2012-cecafa-cup-zanzibar-claim-penalty-prize-against-territorial-superiors/).

I still like the show as it does offer a fairly balanced view on football topics around the world (even with a slant towards South American stories), but it went down in my estimation a little after that, thought it was disrespectful to Zanzibar, especially considering that the next topic was described as something 'less trivial' - how Clarence Seedorf was performing at Botafogo smiley: eyes.

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May 4 13 5:27 PM

Was that Mark Gleeson by any chance?

Zanzibar is technically part of Tanzania (although it has some autonomy). It's not really different to Anjouan, for example, wanting to compete separately from Comoros. Tobago also has autonomy within Trinidad & Tobago (as does Nevis within St. Kitts & Nevis). Nevis HAD a playing outlet (the Leeward Islands tournament), but Tobago didn't. There doesn't seem to be any hard and fast rule that applies worldwide to these sorts of teams. Zanzibar was formerly a separate colony, and was briefly independent in its own right before merging with Tanganyika, but does that give it the right to continue competing separately? There are good arguments on both sides.

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May 4 13 9:51 PM

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Was that Mark Gleeson by any chance?

It was - you just triggered my memory. I understand there are arguments on all sides - and I wouldn't dismiss the others you mentioned playing similar internationals if they got to that stage - but one thing Zanzibar have over them is a lot more history in football, it was even admitted by Gleeson that they had been involved with the CECAFA Cup from the start.

It was just the tone that he said it all in that seemed a little offensive, almost like the pundits that instantly write off smaller national teams as 'wasting our time' (with 'our' meaning anything from the organisers to the national team, players, fans, or 'big clubs' of that country, but usually just the pundits themselves smiley: wink).

Not sure if Gleeson knew or not about Zanzibar's Non-FIFA activities or whether it was left out to keep the show moving, he just made it sound as though the CECAFA Cup and African club competitions were all the island existed for in football. A simple mention that Zanzibar's last match saw them beat Tanzania (even if it was on penalties) would have been an interesting fact to run on, and I was surprised he left it out.

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Mar 22 17 11:12 PM

Woohoo.

As a note for the discussion above, the CAF statutes have been modified since the version posted above, removing the bit about beign a FIFA member. However, they still say that "CAF shall recognise only one national association per country" smiley: ohwell.

The FIFA statutes (excerpts below) have a few more caveats in them to allow such scenarios.

11 Admission

1
...
Subject to par. 5 and par. 6 below, only one association shall be recognised as a member association in
each country.

2
Membership is only permitted if an association is currently a member of a confederation. The Council may issue regulations with regard to the admission process.
...
5.
Each of the four British associations shall be recognised as a separate member association of FIFA.
6.
An association in a region which has not yet gained independence may, with the authorisation of the member association
in the country on which it is dependent, also apply for admission to FIFA



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Mar 25 17 1:43 PM

it did not take FIFA much time to allow Gibraltar and Kosovo, so I suppose the same can happen with Zanzibar (and Martinique, etc...) at a next congress...nobody will oppose those memberships...

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Mar 26 17 2:23 AM

Maybe Tanzania will vote against Zanzibar, because if Zanzibar joins then the remainder of Tanzania would then have to be renamed as "Tanzania Mainland", the old non-sequitur used in the CECAFA tmts.

Personally I'd like to see a return to good old Tanganyika.

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Any update on whether they applied this year? According to the FIFA Congress agenda it doesn't look like it

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