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#141 [url]

Aug 13 10 10:16 PM

Definition of A team?

No reason why the same players should be selected for every match. All matches where there is no restriction to age and/or status should be considered A matches.
Last Wednesday, France also selected completely different team than at the World Cup.

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#142 [url]

Aug 13 10 10:43 PM

Re: Definition of A team?

trekky76 wrote:
No reason why the same players should be selected for every match. All matches where there is no restriction to age and/or status should be considered A matches.

This is a good one, but how about restrictions for so called B-teams? Are there any restrictions for matches played by such teams? I don't believe so. It often happens a so called B-team fields more regular A-international players than a B-team. The most bizarre example of this might have been the Hungary v Yugoslavia matches on 25-09-1927 and 25-03-1928. Hungary - who played with a virtual B-team as on both occasions its virtual A-team also played on the same day - regards these matches as A-international matches (but in both matches the Hungarian team fielded players who regularly played for Hungary). Yugoslavia, that fielded its virtual A-team - in both matches nearly all its players were regular A-international players - regard these matches as B-internationals, they even labelled their A-team as B-team. Call it the world upside down!

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#143 [url]

Aug 15 10 12:50 AM

Yup it's the usual issue of labeling in order not to count the match as official. Unless a certain FA has an official B team, it's just a label and nothing more.

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#144 [url]

Oct 23 10 11:52 AM

In order to eliminate misunderstandings about match status as much as possible I think it is better to classify international matches between national teams, no matter what silly criteria FIFA will use. I would say we can make following classifications:
-> A-A
-> A-non A
-> non A-non A

Teams can be defined as national A-team as they have been announced as such before the kick off. A combination of players who are suspended, not available because of all kind of reasons as well the players a coach wants to select might be the cause sometimes he will field i.e. not the number 1-11, but the 78-88 players. This implies regarding a match full A-international depens on more matters as who are playing. We have to take notice of:
-> how a match is announced
-> which players are available (can be any reason)
-> which players the coach wants to select

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#146 [url]

Feb 11 11 8:09 PM

According to this Fifa kit:

http://fr.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/stats-centclub/52/00/59/fifacenturyclub.pdf

Now Fifa officially recognises as "A international matches" only the matches played from 1908 Olympic Games to 1948 Olympic Games (with some exceptions). I bet that over the following years, Fifa is going to change the criteria again... What a confusion...

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#147 [url]

Mar 2 11 8:00 PM

I don't know if this is the exact topic, but I would like to point out that the match Austria-Italy, played on 21-03-1937, is no longer considered "A" international by Fifa, as you can verify here:

http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=aut/fixturesresults/gender=m/index.html

Also the Italian Football Association doesn't regard it, while Austria, on the other hand, regards this match as "A" international. If I'm not wrong, this match had appeared in Fifa's list till 2010.

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#148 [url]

Mar 4 11 7:42 PM

This is another example how inconsequent FIFA is. According to FIFA abandonded matches should be counted as full A internationals, simply because the match is played en all facts about abandonded matches (expenses made by specators, casualties) cannot be deleted. That's the reason according to FIFA the 1902 Ibrox disaster match Scotland v England became regarded official by FIFA after 98 years, even though both Scottish and English FA never regarded that match official. From that point of view deleting the Italy v Austria match is not understandable. But that's just the way FIFA is. I just can't wait what FIFA will do next.

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Mar 4 11 9:53 PM

Here is what they PLAN to do next:

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/bodies/media/newsid=1392053.html

"The Executive Committee approved the Regulations Governing International Matches, which will ensure that the notification, reporting and registration of international “A” matches is more transparent and efficient. These regulations are now pending the adoption of amendments to the FIFA Statutes by the FIFA Congress 2011."

Also, CAF put forward a proposal to FIFA on 12th February to make CHAN matches count towards the FIFA ranking, but I'm not sure if FIFA will accept this. It would be completely stupid if they did that - it's like counting B and C matches to show the performance of the A team. The only reason I can see for doing it is to give more importance to the CHAN tournament.

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#150 [url]

Mar 7 11 11:13 AM

No way CAF can have a continental tournament every year and get ranking points for that!
About the abandoned matches; did Italy count the abandoned match vs Serbia recently? I do agree, any abandoned match should be counted unless it is declared void and re-scheduled.
FIFA's adding and removing past matches is getting out of hand!

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#151 [url]

Mar 7 11 8:00 PM

Yes, Trekky76, according to the official website of the Italian FA:

http://www.figc.it/nazionali/GareSquadra?squadra=1&mode=GARE_SQUADRA

the match Italy-Serbia is recognized.

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Mar 18 11 9:40 AM

I have found out an interesting issue. According to the excellent website Cantab.net, the matches played by Brazil over the Gold Cup 2003 are considered as "A" official by the Brazilian FA, as you can please verify here:

http://www.cantab.net/users/nfm24/football/2003ic.html

But I think that the Brazilian FA doesn't consider them as official. In fact, according to the official website www2.cbf.com.br those matches aren't indicated. I can confirm that, on the other hand, Fifa regards them. So, which can be the "truth"?

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Mar 19 11 3:39 AM

Luca wrote:
I have found out an interesting issue. According to the excellent website Cantab.net, the matches played by Brazil over the Gold Cup 2003 are considered as "A" official by the Brazilian FA, as you can please verify here:

http://www.cantab.net/users/nfm24/football/2003ic.html

But I think that the Brazilian FA doesn't consider them as official. In fact, according to the official website www2.cbf.com.br those matches aren't indicated. I can confirm that, on the other hand, Fifa regards them. So, which can be the "truth"?


Just a note - Neil's website requires a password to gain access - so some of the forum users will not be able to view that link without requesting permission from Neil.

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#154 [url]

Apr 7 11 7:02 PM

The match Italy-U.S.A. Selection 4-0 (played on 23-05-1976) is not regarded as "A" match by Fifa. On the other hand, the Italian FA

http://www.figc.it/nazionali/TabellinoGara?squadra=1&codiceGara=442


regards it...

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#155 [url]

Apr 8 11 4:17 PM

Luca wrote:
The match Italy-U.S.A. Selection 4-0 (played on 23-05-1976) is not regarded as "A" match by Fifa. On the other hand, the Italian FA

http://www.figc.it/nazionali/TabellinoGara?squadra=1&codiceGara=442


regards it...

Very strange Italian FA regards this match official. Chinaglia (Italy), Kowalik (Poland), Moore (England) and Pele (Brazil) were not American citizens and not allowed to play official international matches for USA. BTW how can Italian FA regard a match official A-international as one of the Team USA players, Chinaglia, used to play for Italy at the time!

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Apr 8 11 7:26 PM

Fast Midfielder wrote:
Luca wrote:
The match Italy-U.S.A. Selection 4-0 (played on 23-05-1976) is not regarded as "A" match by Fifa. On the other hand, the Italian FA

http://www.figc.it/nazionali/TabellinoGara?squadra=1&codiceGara=442


regards it...

Very strange Italian FA regards this match official. Chinaglia (Italy), Kowalik (Poland), Moore (England) and Pele (Brazil) were not American citizens and not allowed to play official international matches for USA. BTW how can Italian FA regard a match official A-international as one of the Team USA players, Chinaglia, used to play for Italy at the time!


I agree: it's very strange, but I have another bizarre example. On 16-12-1998, Italy played a friendly against a Fifa Selection and won 6-2. Italy regards this friendly as "A" match, as you can verify here:

http://www.figc.it/nazionali/TabellinoGara?squadra=1&codiceGara=1537

And Gianluca Pagliuca was the goalkeeper of Fifa Selection!!

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#157 [url]

Apr 9 11 12:53 AM

Awarding caps shouldn't be a problem, as long as Italy doesn't count this match as played against US national team.. Several other FA's also count matches against confederation XI's as official; England, France and Hungary all do so. Possibly other too.

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#159 [url]

Apr 9 11 8:36 PM

What criteria FIFA will have? IFFHS site explains a lot about how FIFA recognizes matches as full A-internationals, but IFFHS list does not equal FIFA's list if we compare both websites.

Select a country in the 1921-1930 period on following IFFHS site http://www.iffhs.de/?c003e8f0a3ccdc42ec70a61534cd413ccdc07ccac5bb05 and you will see in that era apart from Austria, England and Hungary also Austria amateurs, England amateurs and Hungary amateurs played matches recognized bij FIFA/IFFHS as full A-international matches. Unfortunately there is no list available with matches played in this period but it seems FIFA (who cooperates with IFFHS) recognize matches played by Austria, England and Hungary amateur teams as official A-internationals. Czechoslovakia amateurs are not mentioned, even though according to Czech FA from 1925 Czechoslovakia has an amateur team as well.

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Apr 10 11 8:45 AM

Fast Midfielder wrote:
What criteria FIFA will have? IFFHS site explains a lot about how FIFA recognizes matches as full A-internationals, but IFFHS list does not equal FIFA's list if we compare both websites.

Select a country in the 1921-1930 period on following IFFHS site http://www.iffhs.de/?c003e8f0a3ccdc42ec70a61534cd413ccdc07ccac5bb05 and you will see in that era apart from Austria, England and Hungary also Austria amateurs, England amateurs and Hungary amateurs played matches recognized bij FIFA/IFFHS as full A-international matches. Unfortunately there is no list available with matches played in this period but it seems FIFA (who cooperates with IFFHS) recognize matches played by Austria, England and Hungary amateur teams as official A-internationals. Czechoslovakia amateurs are not mentioned, even though according to Czech FA from 1925 Czechoslovakia has an amateur team as well as you can read elswhere on this forum http://roonba.20.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=15371#15371.


I think that we have to wait for. When IFFHS website will publish all the matches of the period 1921-1930, we can compare the IFFHS list with FIFA list. But now it's impossible. Anyway, there is another discrepancy between IFFHS and FIFA. On this page:
http://www.iffhs.de/?ac83ccac3be8e00390b02fc5fdcdc3bfcdc0aec70aeed115
IFHHS declare that they recognize as "A" matches also the matches played over 1952 and 1956 Olympic Games, while FIFA, on this press kit http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/stats-centclub/52/00/59/fifacenturyclubmen.pdf declare that they recognize only matches played up to and including 1948 Olympics...

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